Purposeful Death or the Cobain Way

Does a purposeful death lead to reincarnation? From what I have read on this forum and doing my own research, faith and spiritualism are perhaps two major components of reincarnation. But does strong faith and/or spiritual longevity lead to reincarnation if one considers suicide or a purposeful death?

I have also wondered what reincarnation possibilities are for persons that die of a drug overdose, accidental deaths, or suicides such as the famous Kurt Cobain case.

All I know is that I committed suicide in my 18th century life and I've had two more incarnations since then that I know of, including my current life.

Also, my current life brother committed suicide in 2007 and I know that his soul is at peace.

As far as my experiences tell me, the reincarnation possibilities from a purposeful death is the same as for any other kind of death, we have things we've learnt and things we still need to learn, the same as everyone else.

Reincarnation is a physiological and natural phenomenon. If you want to come back, you'll do. That's all.

I have been working with a very beautiful and powerful teacher, my connection with him allowed me to guide my sister after her death of cancer to work with him in the spirit world. Recent communication with her suggests she has worked through the saddness that caused her cancer and now she has to come back soon but doesn't want to, So I gather that you come back even if you if you don't really want to. I have been thinking a lot about purposeful death after a recent health and brain degenenertion. I know that it is really important to have help to get across to the other side and if you are in a bad state either drugs or emotional the soul can get confused. But that is not always the case.

This ones hard for me to answer as im unwell at the moment

I believe that they will play hell with you for taking your own life, but there's no punishment involved. I think you will have to be seen by the more powerful beings there of course, to understand the issues, some of which you will not be aware of, perhaps from your past life(s), when you have a past life review. If you are an habitual suicide soul, then actions, such as a Sprite Guide attending you all the time you are down will happen. But the biggest problem, as I see it, is that the soul get drained from the body's problems. So that has to be dealt with too. [Mod edited]

All I know on this part thus far is that you end up back here again regardless but that is not to say that suicide can't be part of the plan as every spirit chooses a time when it is so to go home so to speak.

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All I know on this part thus far is that you end up back here again regardless but that is not to say that suicide can't be part of the plan as every spirit chooses a time when it is so to go home so to speak.

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Suicide is NEVER part of the plan. There are alternative paths in the plan to take and your entire life is not predestined. One of the things you will be shown is the alternatives, assuming you didn't have a fatal sickness which would have killed you whatever. In one of the Life Between Life books, there is a woman who took her own life, but was shown what might have happened if she hadn't.
Even taking your life early in a sickness, might have resulted in something important that you missed. For example thinking somebody didn't love you and they did. Yet you took your life away before they could tell you. If you think about it. That situation would have two consequences, that you went through the entire life not knowing that person loved you. Plus they had to live onwards knowing they didn't get the chance to say "I love You".

What if there is no other way, though? None that can be seen, at all, by the individual. They've spent their lives believing false hope that there is another way, there is another 'means of escape' from their personal Hell, only to realise that, ultimately, suicide is the only way to find relief? We are taught, in a search for positivity, that there are other options. What about those who opt for euthanasia? Are you going to turn around and claim that they, too, have another option? Holocaust victims who threw themselves into barbed wire fences to escape? Those who jumped from the Twin Towers on 9/11? Are you saying that they had other choices, that there was a fork in the road for them and they chose wrong?

Life is Hell, sometimes, Graham. You don't get to say whether suicide is ever the answer or not, until you are put into a situation where suicide is the most viable option. The only option that seems worthy enough of taking. I'm not saying here that I am, either, but I don't feel that you have the authority to make those statements. Sometimes, I wonder if half of your posts are just to stir up drama and controversy.

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What if there is no other way, though? None that can be seen, at all, by the individual. They've spent their lives believing false hope that there is another way, there is another 'means of escape' from their personal Hell, only to realise that, ultimately, suicide is the only way to find relief? We are taught, in a search for positivity, that there are other options. What about those who opt for euthanasia? Are you going to turn around and claim that they, too, have another option? Holocaust victims who threw themselves into barbed wire fences to escape? Those who jumped from the Twin Towers on 9/11? Are you saying that they had other choices, that there was a fork in the road for them and they chose wrong?

Life is Hell, sometimes, Graham. You don't get to say whether suicide is ever the answer or not, until you are put into a situation where suicide is the most viable option. The only option that seems worthy enough of taking. I'm not saying here that I am, either, but I don't feel that you have the authority to make those statements. Sometimes, I wonder if half of your posts are just to stir up drama and controversy.

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Put it this way in the bible it says that "thou shall not kill". There is not a footnote to say if you are in trouble it's OK, nor does it specify about who you should not kill.

I think I made myself clear that you had choices, except when you are certain death is due. Though somebody in any of the situations you described could have survived. There are people who did survive the Holocaust and any events. There are people in allsorts of dangerous situations that have survived. You are more likely to get killed crossing the road. So is OK to take your life if you have a fear of crossing the road?

Nine times out of 10 when they get to the other side of life the victim says that was pointless taking my own life and it SOLVED nothing.
You can read that several times in books on reincarnation, form a wide variety of authors. I'm telling you nothing that hasn't been written about several times.

At least there is no punishment for taking your own life, like some religions have us believe.

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Put it this way in the bible it says that "thou shall not kill". There is not a footnote to say if you are in trouble it's OK, nor does it specify about who you should not kill.

I think I made myself clear that you had choices, except when you are certain death is due. Though somebody in any of the situations you described could have survived. There are people who did survive the Holocaust and any events. There are people in allsorts of dangerous situations that have survived. You are more likely to get killed crossing the road. So is OK to take your life if you have a fear of crossing the road?

Nine times out of 10 when they get to the other side of life the victim says that was pointless taking my own life and it SOLVED nothing.
You can read that several times in books on reincarnation, form a wide variety of authors. I'm telling you nothing that hasn't been written about several times.

At least there is no punishment for taking your own life, like some religions have us believe.

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Interesting that you are quoting the bible there. Which was edited and doctored enough by the Catholics to manipulate people. The bible in its current form i feel is so off the mark to what it should have in it. It might as well have been written by shakespeare himself. Like the story of war of the roses was.

I'm not talking about the survivors of the Holocaust, Graham. I'm talking about those who were so destitute and broken that they saw no other option other than to take their own (only) way out. And, let's not forget that there were millions of people, including 6 million Jews and some 7 million Soviet civilians (civilians, Graham, innocent civilians the Nazis took enough issue with to lock up and kill), who died during the Holocaust. Yes, there were survivors, but there were millions of losses. Millions! Some families were completely wiped out, some were just erased from existence. You're saying that those who died of their hand had the choice to 'survive'?

Do you proof-read anything you write? "Nine times out of 10... that was pointless"? I would swear at you right now, for your insensitivity, but I feel it would lead to a ban. Suicide is not "nine times out of 10" pointless! Most times, the victim feels that it is their only way out. It is their last resort, for those who have tried EVERYTHING else to survive and 'see the bright side'. Mental health is a monster, life is Hell sometimes. And, occasionally, I believe that making the choice to end the suffering is the strongest decision someone could make. It is not cowardly, in some situations.

Oh, but sure, it might "NEVER be part of the plan", but, hey, at least there's no punishment should you choose the wrong option.

Last thing, what about those who die in unfortunate accidents that might have been caused by their own hand? I'm just curious here, see if you inflame my ire of you any further. Or, see if you actually can write something theoretically sound, for a man who claims to have once been Shakespeare...

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Interesting that you are quoting the bible there. Which was edited and doctored enough by the Catholics to manipulate people. The bible in its current form i feel is so off the mark to what it should have in it. It might as well have been written by shakespeare himself. Like the story of war of the roses was.

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I used the 1579 version of Holinshed's Chronicles for the factual details and Hall's book on England. Most of the lines being connected with the real life of Queen Elizabeth. Except in one piece where an actor tripped and and people made fun of him so we added that in. For it was funny.

I get the feeling the true story of war of the roses is very different. Only the successor gets to write history, and they had the greatest writer possibly of all time in that period. You.

The population of the earth is controlled by the other side. So if six million have to die than they do.

Those words are from people who took their own lives. Really read some of the books on reincarnation. I have not seen it justified yet in any book. Yes they sympathies with the people who feel the need to take the life that they were given, but now matter how much pain or suffering the body can inflict on you, taking a life is wrong.
"Accidents" what are they?
You mean like a car driver who knocks down a child and killed it, because he/she was on his way to work? When he/she could have walked there and not driven a car at all?

Maybe, put down your books on reincarnation and read up on suicide a little more. And, mental health, while you're at it. Not that I'm claiming you need help, I just mean that it might help to open your eyes to the suffering out there. Depression is a dark place to find yourself, with no bright neon exit sign that leads to a continued life and brighter days sometimes. I've never gotten quite that deep, but I've come close a time or two (moderately severe depression), I will admit here. As for this "it's a sin to take a life" thread you're running with, what about soldiers in war, executioners, lawmen, those who take lives as part of their profession? Are they committing sin according to your Bible (I consider myself to be agnostic, so I feel no connection to the 'good book')?

Oh, yes, I see what you did there. "Accidents, what are they?" Because, as we all should know, there are "no such things as accidents". Such droll wit, Graham, I would doff my cap to you, if I could be bothered to put one on in order to doff it.

But, no, I don't mean those who kill others by 'accident'. I mean those who end up taking their own lives through 'mistakes' and 'accidents'. Perhaps, I did not write it clear enough. And, I'm assuming English maybe isn't your first language?

A child isnt a it, i find that bad esp coming from the soul of shakespeare-it makes it worse.

Graham, having bipolar disorder ( perhaps the earlier karma you mentioned!!) I can truly affirm that suicide is something, which in times of despair, seems like a viable option.

I have taken most of the views displayed here at one point in time. This is one of the topics which should not be painted with broad strokes. I have a few examples from my own experience which might aid the conversation:

In this life, I have struggled with depression. At one point, I was on a medication which made my symptoms worse and almost ended it. Something caused me to snap myself out of it, and I am eternally grateful this is the way that moment played out. At the time, it seemed like the best option, but looking back on it, my logic was very silly (despite feeling genuine). I truly did have so many things going for me that I could not see at that moment, and it would have been a poor choice indeed for me to have ended it.

In a past life in Japan, I actually followed through with a suicide. The enemy was coming for me, we were outnumbered, and there was no way I was not heading for death (and possibly torture first). I killed myself before they could get to me as a sort of "screw you" to those who were behind my impending capture, and as a statement that the only one there who was worthy to kill me was myself. Seppuku was not yet a moral obligation, or even popularly known at this time, so there was no cultural pressure: it was just something I did. I was not consumed by despair: it was a clear-minded choice that I made. I still think that it was the best choice I could have made at the time and I am not ashamed that I did it.

After my brother died from suicide I spent months having an irrational impulse to go to his grave, dig him up and pat him on the back to go and live the rest of his life in peace. If only it were that simple.

Then for many years after experiencing visitation dreams with his peaceful spirit I thought "You commit suicide and gain instant peace? How would anyone learn from that?"

Then after my reincarnation experiences I realised that God or the universe or whatever one wants to call it, gives suicides another chance at life.

It was then that I realised that my brothers suicide, my fighting for love, any eartbound mistake one can think of, is forgiven and we all get another bite of the cherry in spite of our mistakes.

My brother made a bad choice...that's all. We all make bad choices and that's OK. I committed suicide in one of my lives as a two fingered salute to authority and to conclude the maneuvering I'd been doing in pursuit of freedom on my own terms.

Nowadays I believe that I created the evil I did to myself in that life. But if it was a bad choice I still got to come back and live again.

Perhaps you should call suicide a bad choice and not simply say killing is a sin Graham. We are all sinners. He who casts the first stone and all that jazz. In my opinion and my beliefs God never throws stones, nor does He judge us. He leaves that kind of behaviour to His children and when we fall in Earths sandpit He picks us back up and gives us as many chances as we need.

Dropping by again with this in mind that when it comes to suicide you have to have been there yourself or had someone very close go through this struggle to know what it is like. I don't blame anyone for wanting out in this era.