Proof That Reincarnation is Biblical

SeaAndSky said:

As to post 12 - Interesting. I'm not sure I buy this, but it has some possibilities I would like to explore..

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Post #12 dealt with the Bottomless Pit in Revelation. I also see this as the Underworld and Abyss.

Here is another verse linking the Pit to a Woman...

Proverbs 23:27 (Young's Literal Translation)
"For a harlot is a deep ditch, And a strange woman is a strait pit"

I've spent a lot of time looking into the physics of the Bottomless Pit... specifically what life is like before conception, before we enter the womb.

From what I see being described in the Bible, the Bottomless Pit is another way of saying 2D or Two Dimensions. It neither has a top, nor does it have a bottom. Top and Bottom are 3D or Three Dimensional constructs.

We exist in 3D (or 4D if we add time). Thus, a world of 2D would be 'beneath' us, hence the 'Underworld'. It is the world of the Flatlanders...


Conversely, New Jerusalem is built 'Foursquare', which is a picture of a Tesseract. In other words, New Jerusalem is the Spiritual Womb leading to Higher Dimensions for those looking for a more 'advanced' future incarnation...



We are but a 2D 'Shadow' of higher dimensions...

Hebrews 8:5
"Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount"

Remember that the Bible teaches that our bodies are the Tabernacle. We started life as a single cell at the moment of conception...



Again, we are but a 2D 'shadow' of the higher dimensional Heavenly Body called New Jerusalem.

BTW... just like Earthly Women have a 'monthly cycle', She, New Jerusalem, has a monthly cycle as well...

Revelation 22:2
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations"

Those 'fruit' are the Spiritual Ovums in which the saved partake to become Born Again. The Tree of Life is Sarah who is the opposite of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil... aka... Hagar the Egyptian Woman (Hathor).

The Two Trees in the Garden of Eden are Two Woman in which we choose to be birthed from. We chose Hagar to be born here. Born of the Law. Born under bondage.

When we chose to be born of the Earthly Mother, we all partook of the Forbidden Fruit which was the ovum of our Mothers.

Yes... The Bible has a way of telling stories that we Adults must learn to comprehend.



Another reference to a world of 2D is this verse...

Genesis 1:2
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

'Without form and void' is another way of saying 2D or perhaps even 1D or 0D for that matter.

The 'Waters' that God moved upon was the original 'Plane of Existence' before 3D came into being, not the physical waters or oceans on Earth as we know. 3D was created much later in the Genesis account.

Here is another reference to this 2D plane of existence...

Revelation 6:14
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places"

When a Scroll is laid flat, it represents a 2D concept. It is information (words) on a surface or Plane.

Those that understand M-Theory can relate to this illustration...


The above is an illustration of the Abyss, The Deep, Chaos and the world of 2D in which we all existed before birth.

The Bible describes this existence as sleep...

Psalms 13:3
"Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death"

In other words, Sleep = Dreaming.

The 2D Underworld is where dreams happen.

Thus, in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, we see two types of 'Sleep' or 'Dream States' each person was having...


Abraham's Bosom = Peaceful Dream
Torments = Nightmare

Just a reminder of what I said earlier in this thread, I believe that Lazarus and the Rich Man is a picture of a Beggar who saw his past life as the Rich Man and paid his Karmic Debt.

Likewise, Sarah is looking at her past life as Hagar. They are the two trees in Eden.

Yes, Jerusalem aka... Mystery Babylon... is resurrected and saved to become New Jerusalem!

We can't have a New Jerusalem without and Old Jerusalem now can we?

One of the most blatant and obvious examples of reincarnation in the Bible comes from Jesus Himself...

Matthew 17:12
"But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them"

Who was this Elias fellow that came already?

Matthew 17:13
"Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist"

So according to Jesus, John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elias.

He says it again...

Matthew 11:14
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"

Notice Jesus basically says "I know it's hard to believe, but...".

Here Jesus is asking his very own Disciples who everyone thinks He is the reincarnation of...

Mark 8:27
"And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Cæsarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am?"

Now why would Jesus ask such a heretical question if reincarnation was not True?

Look at their answers...

Mark 8:28
"And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets"

Some say you are the reincarnation of John the Baptist.

Others say you are the reincarnation of Elias.

Still others say you are the reincarnation of one of the Prophets.

Now did Jesus rebuke them for such blasphemy? Of course not!

He even asked the disciples themselves who they though he was the reincarnation of...

Mark 8:29
"And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ"

It's unreal how much evidence there is, and yet the Church lies and hides this from everyone. They teach people that John the Baptist was merely 'role playing' and was just an 'actor' playing the part of Elijah. They will say things like "John was Elijah in a 'spiritual' sense, not in a 'literal' sense". In other words, what they are really teaching is that Jesus lied.

The following video is one of the best I have found so far in support of reincarnation in the Bible...

Hi Base12,

Since you are science based and are excited about the connections, possibilities and implications of the Bible as it relates to reincarnation, I have to ask. Have you read the books by Gregg Braden? Have you researched other religions to find the common thread that runs through them? KenJ is talking about the thread titled Dogma Bites Man in the Science section. It is a chapter about Christianity and the Bible out of her book.

Also check out

The God Code & DNA - my post # 4 . I have a lot of posts about Gregg Bradens work floating about. ENJOY!

Deborah said:

Hi Base12,

Since you are science based and are excited about the connections, possibilities and implications of the Bible as it relates to reincarnation, I have to ask. Have you read the books by Gregg Braden? Have you researched other religions to find the common thread that runs through them? KenJ is talking about the thread titled Dogma Bites Man in the Science section. It is a chapter about Christianity and the Bible out of her book.

Also check out

The God Code & DNA - my post # 4 . I have a lot of posts about Gregg Bradens work floating about. ENJOY!

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Hi Deborah, it's an honor to meet you. Thank you for allowing me to post my thoughts on the forum.

I used to listen to Gregg on Coast to Coast when his God Code book came out. He was one of the researchers that got me interested in DNA as it relates to Prophecy. I haven't read his books though.

I have researched other religions and have seen the connections. I know why they are there.

I took another look at Dogma Bites Man and found it very interesting. I think I'll make a few comments in there.

Cheers!

I released a new movie to help explain how Reincarnation works in the Bible...


Summary of Topics:
• The Creation Account as a 3D CAD Model
• Was Genesis a Simulation?
• In the Beginning, God Created Heaven and Hell
• The REAL Three Heavens
• Hell is a Parable for the Womb
• Quantum Physics in the Bible
• Is Reincarnation Biblical?
• Two Creation Accounts?
• Adam Created on Third Day
• Adam’s First Wife Was Not Eve!
• Adam and Eve Are Thrown Into the Lake of Fire
• Two Trees, Two Women
• What Was the ‘Forbidden Fruit’?
• What is the Seed of the Serpent?
• Hathor the Sycamore Fig Tree
• Who is Mystery Babylon?
• Vesta and the Eternal Fire

Hello and welcome!
No I don't think anyone here will ban you for your beliefs.
I must say that it is an extremely controversial matter, at least for me.

I personally disagree with this analysis, but not so much for the fact that I am a Christian, since being a Christian does not mean labeling people in the series "think like us or you will rot in hell",if you had know on your experiences these folks and they threated you in that way, they was not good christians.

What it menas is simple of following the teachings of Christ about compassion and universal brotherhood among all men and faith in God.

Look, I have already analyzed and studied some of your arguments in recent months.
I can tell you that I already knew the matter of John the Baptist and the reincarnated. did you consider that christ meant simply in a metaphorical sense?
as if to say that john is another elia, in the sense of elia as a prophet.
in short, a metaphor in which the baptist is compared to elia, a veiled reference that should not be taken in a literal sense.
your analysis is very interesting, but let's realize that the bible
was written millennia and millennia ago by scribes inspired by the word of God (for those who believe in this),
let's consider that Judaism was the evolution and reworking
of the pre-existing religions, which stand out from the Phoenicians and the Sumerians.
if you look for "El" on wikipedia you will immediately understand what I am talking about.
my idea is that there was a lineage of spiritual super-entities, called elohim, headed by El, who brought order to chaos and set the laws that make the universe work by creating what for us is the reality we live in.

it must be said that in the bible it is not written that God created the universe, in the first verse of genesis it is said that the earth was an empty and shapeless mass and the spirit of God hovered over the waters. this means that substantially these entities more than creating the universe, they came from who knows where
to put in order a world that they found chaotic and amorphous making it the world we know today.
regarding the matter of reincarnation:
- the second death is the death of the soul. the first death is physical, the second is death in hell, hellish damnation.
It is true that damnation is not eternal because eternity, (aion), exactly like the word god itself, are later concepts added by the Greek scribes,
which are not found in the original Hebrew texts,
which speak of the fact that - the entities of El's lineage existed. - some were benevolent and others evil and merciless, so much so that they demanded human sacrifices and blood offerings (moloch, baal, lucifer etc).
- the Old Testament basically narrates the war between the factions loyal to the benevolent entities against those who sided with the evil entities (what now are considered the devils).
- reincarnation is an animistic belief widespread in many cultures and also in the East, but there is no clear trace of this in the bible, nowhere in the bible is it clearly written in an incontrovertible way that after death there is another earthly life .
the belief of reincarnation was born from its diffusion in the ancient world given by the Orphic schools of thought and philosophies, to which Pythagoras and other geniuses of Greek culture also adhered. (Pythagoras in fact believed in reincarnation).

but it's not part of the Jewish original culture, sorry.
the Orphic cults, however, derived from commercial and cultural contacts with the civilization of the Indian valley from the civilizations of the time. now for the rest. - apocryphal gospels. the reason they were discarded from the church is that they all date back at least more than 1 century after the death of jesus,
or more, from folks that not directly knew the Messiah.

recently i read the apocryphal gospel of st thomas. or at least such tommaso didimo. I can say that in the end I understood that it is a "false" writing in the sense that it was written by someone who used that name and the figure of Jesus as propaganda to spread the doctrines
of Gnosticism in the culture of the time.
as proof of this, this manuscript was found in 1945 together with a host of Gnostic writings.
there Jesus makes a very clear discourse with St. Thomas on reincarnation, it is a pity that he is a false gnostic.
returning to the canonical gospels:

look, I do not exclude that reincarnation exists because the researches of tucker and stevenson show that it exists, but the fact is that reincarnation has never been a new age fashion given
by the desire for introspection and research and knowledge of oneself, as it has recently become fashionable in Western society to fill the void created by the crisis of traditional values caused by the fixation of modern materialism.

reincarnation for Eastern thought is something ... horrible. in the sense that souls are trapped and imprisoned in a continuous purgative cycle of condemnation, suffering and atonement, migrating from one life to another where they always get back in the form of negative karma all the evil previously sown.

basically it is the Hindu conception of hell and punishment and retribution for sins,
infact Hindu and Budhistic belief concern about separate from material things, that are codamns that force souls to be stucked into real world and pursue a spiritual path of grow.
If not, everything that is committed in this life, good or bad, always comes back by simple law of action and reaction. if he does not go back in this life, he will surely come back in the next one establishing the initial birth conditions and the labor that will occur in the next childhood. for the Hindu culture this is seen as a horrible torture, for the West instead it seems almost that it has become a fascinating
thing useful to know oneself, or perhaps the desire to want to live forever for the refusal to accept that with death it ends everything.

There are two reasons why reincarnation in Christianity is not considered, and one is of an institutional political nature, the other is of an ideological nature.
The ideological motivation is that Christianity through baptism, the forgiveness of sins, the only law given by jesus, which instead of the torah simply says "love your neighbor as yourself" offers the possibility for all souls to free themselves and clean from all karma , punishment and affliction and to access the highest spiritual dimension by freeing oneself from all limbo, torture, punishment and infernal condemnation, whether it is spending time in the lower spiritual planes,
which Christianity calls "hell" or returning to earth to atone having to start

all over again, which I think is a middle ground for the souls who have not obtained either salvation or condemnation.

in short, as I have interpreted it, it is the only way out offered by a religion: whoever truly has faith in Jesus and follows his teachings substantially no longer needs any subsequent rebirth and reincarnation, because afterwards he can ascend to heaven to become one with the creative spirit.
Now ... about another sentence: that thing about the guy born blind from birth.
that the apostles asked jesus "who sinned him or his parents to be born blind from birth?" and which is often used to justify reincarnation.

well, that question can betray two interpretations

1: the apostles believed in reincarnation or at the time it was a widespread belief among the people.
2: the apostles simply refer, with regard to "his parents of him" to the belief that the sins committed by the ancestors were reflected in the descendants for entire generations, which is read several times in the Old Testament among the warnings of Yahweh into the Torah.
Jesus said "neither he nor his parents, but it is to make manifest the greatness of God" or something like that, and then he heals him. Jesus' response categorically liquidates the matter of reincarnation. basically it was done in a way that allowed him to perform that miracle.

in short, I'm sorry but I really don't know any part of the bible that clearly and categorically says that there are other earthly lives, simply because it is not a topic covered by the bible, the bible talks about other things, in essence, it is the story of the lineage of jesus .
your analysis of matter, energy, atomic and cellular structure and its parallels with the bible is interesting, by the fact that at the end, we was created to image of God, so that's make sense: matter of real world is the mirror of spiritual matter.

However, I hope you will not hate me
if I say that they seem to me to be very forced considerations.
in short, it would be like justifying the existence of a kingdom by the fact that the sky is blue.

physics, biology, microbiology, are all branches of science, science was created to explain how the universe works, and for improve lives from knowledge.
But does not investigate why about why the universe exists, leaving these things to religion or philosophy ... or at least it should NOT be and it should not be used to justify philosophical or religious arguments because they deal with completely different things.

About why the church then banned reincarnation as a prosecutable heresy.
Thanks byzantine emperor Justinian for that.
he's responsible for this and the edicts he created in the council of constantinople to standardize the faith in one and only doctrine in order to unify the Byzantine empire.

Thus some dogmas were not accepted and the most dangerous ones were unleashed. why was reincarnation discarded? well why

1 - nullified the message of Christ's resurrection and defeat of death. if all ones resurrects with rebirth that will fall any importance, but for Church that is one the most important point.

2 - diminished and demeaned the importance of life.
I already think to hordes of people in ancient times committing suicide en masse saying "ah so I'm reborn!"
I mean, from what I know, many Cathari heretics did just these things!
but even if reincarnation did exist, having other lives should never absolutely detract from focus to current existence, and peoples should lives the currect life, not be stucked into their PLs.
be stucked into PL should not be a redeption or an evolution but a stagnation.
Also, there is the simple fact that in no other past or future life would we have the identity, role, purpose, mentality and knowledge that we have in this life.

3 - if a man reincarnates, obeying the law of karma essentially saves himself, saves himself with his own actions and thoughts and emotions instead of returning to salvation through abandonment total gift to divine goodness and mercy.
this hedonistic point for the empire and church of the time was the most dangerous of alls.
for the simple fact that:
"if people save themselves by themselves, what are we priests doing? who would ever listen to us?"
otherwise, for modern men on that age of "freedom" , the idea of depend by the will of another entities for be safed or damned is unacceptables.


(i put that on
quotes for the simple fact that we are not free at all. we are even more imprisoned in materialism than our predecessors and trapped in our obsessions. the entities of the lower planes are really doing a great job>. <I say this in a general sense about the whole human race, and I speak for myself too, I want to clarify that it is not a criticism aimed at any of you.)

Sorry for the long post. i hope i will not hurt anyone with my point of view, but i want just to tell what i thinks and also to warning folks to not take too much seriously the PL. i mean: not let the your PL
conditions your current life in such a way as to annihilate free will and the ability to truly live to the fullest every day of your existence. sorry for these words, I am very worried about how the world is becoming.