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Preschooler's past life recall

Crescent1

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I’ve been absent from the forum for some time after having two children. I used to post on the old forum under a similar name, though who knows where those posts have gotten to! My oldest son is now almost 4. He’s a bright, loquacious boy with a pretty broad vocabulary for such a little guy. As my son became more fluent, I remained open to the possibility that he might begin to speak of past life memories, and alerted my husband (an agnostic when it comes to reincarnation) in case he heard anything from our son. I did want to pop back on to share a few stories with folks who are interested in anecdotal evidence of reincarnation (as I know I am). I am aware, of course, that it is common for children to spontaneously recollect past lives. In this case, my son recalls people and events without any associated distress, behavioral or sleep disturbances, or unusual phobias.

Approximately one year ago, my son began speaking of people, places, and events that appear to be from another life. He first spoke of this life at bedtime one evening. I read him “Harold and the Purple Crayon.” This is a midcentury children’s classic. Our version is a very small boardbook. After we finished, he said that he had the book “before,” but that it was bigger and made of paper. He described a bookshelf in a yellow house with cats where “the father” lived, and a shelf full of toys for the cats. He was very animated during this recollection and spoke at length. He also mentioned that either he or the father drove a truck. I didn’t ask too many questions, although the way he was speaking immediately caught my attention. It did not seem to be a usual flight of imagination, more like he was describing something that actually happened. The only detail I doubt has to do with the truck, since he loves trucks and often incorporates them into his play.

Every few days after that, he spoke of this past life, usually at bedtime or when driving in the car, but also during playtime. He speaks spontaneously and rarely answers simple, non-leading questions. His recollections are occasionally punctuated with the statement “when I was old” or “when I was bigger.” The main characters in his recollection are “the Father” and “my boy.” He once or twice mentioned “my boy and the girls.” I once asked if there was a mommy, and he pet my hair and said “she has brown hair like you.”

Over the months, I’ve gleaned a fair amount of information about this lifetime. He told me that he was a painter (like a workman, not an artist.) He told me “I miss paining.” The father built a treehouse. The father had a beard, and when he “got very old” his hair turned “white and crinkly.”

He speaks often of the yellow house, noting on one occasion that “my boy’s yellow house is so far away.” With respect to “the boy,” he’s said that “there were holly trees at my boy’s house, but a truck came and pulled them up. Now they’re all gone.” He said the father used to put out a skeleton for Halloween, but the boy was afraid of it. His boy used to use solder in a workshop. His boy had a big Christmas tree with lots of lights. He sadly noted, on one occasion, “I can’t go to my boy’s yellow house anymore.” Confusingly, he sometimes acted as though his boy lives in our neighborhood, almost as though he's jumbling up his memories and his current environment.

He also talked about these memories with my husband, to the extent that my skeptical husband has become a bit of a believer. Apparently, my husband was explaining daylight savings and mentioned Chicago to my son. My son then offered: “My boy told me Chicago is dangerous. It’s a bad town.” My husband found this statement quite bizarre, both in substance and in the way my son spoke.

It’s always apparent when he’s speaking of this life because of “my boy,” “the father,” and “the yellow house.” I still can’t determine the relationship between my son, the father, and “his” boy. I’ve also never been able to get a name or identifying features. After three or four months of regular recollections, his memories subsided for a time.

Then, about six months later, he began speaking of different characters, specifically a girl named “Cynthia”. I couldn’t tell if these memories were related to the earlier ones or if they were connected to a different lifetime altogether. Since his language skills continue to improve, he was able to share more complex stories. He also seemed to distinguish a bit more clearly between his current life and his past life. For example, he often prefaced his more recent memories with “when I was older” or “when I was a big boy.” He has told me that Cynthia had a baby, but she didn’t have any of the equipment we use with our own baby. He wanted to give some of our baby’s old toys “to Cynthia because she needs it for her baby.” He tried to explain to me a game played with bales of hay.

Another time, we were playing in the yard and apropos of nothing he told me: "“When I was older, when I was a big boy, I walked to school by myself and I saw a green wall with a green tree growing on it. I thought it was growing on the wall, but it was actually behind the wall. The wall was green and the tree was green.” For some reason, he thought this was very funny. He also mentioned Cynthia.

One day, we had the most incredible conversation. He spontaneously told me that “Cynthia’s not a kid. She’s a grown up. I don’t know where her house is anymore. It’s far far away.” From our past conversations, I had the impression that he often remembered Cynthia as a little girl, so I asked if Cynthia grew up. He said, “She was a little girl, then she was a woman when she grew up. She got older and older and older. She got very old and sick. Then she was dead. Cynthia died. I was there. I was very sad. I don’t know if I can see her again.” I asked him why not. “She got buried,” he said, “She would be all yucky.”

For the first time, he did seem to be a bit disturbed by his memories. Perhaps he had not remembered that the people in his memories were dead prior to this moment. Up to this point, I’d simply listened to his stories, expressed interest in hearing them, and very very occasionally attempted an open-ended question (he usually stopped talking if I asked questions, so generally I refrained and just let him say whatever he wanted to say.) Given his distress, I thought it appropriate to tell him that there was always a chance he would meet Cynthia again, but she wouldn’t be the same. She would be a new person with a new mommy and daddy, just like he was himself and lived in our family now. If he ever met her again, she would have a new body that wouldn’t be the same as the one that had been buried. This seemed to comfort him.

After a few minutes of silence, he had more to say. He told me that he “was Cynthia’s daddy.” He told me he worked in a workshop. He also told me “you used to be small.” I asked if I was there when he was with Cynthia, but he said no. Since his recollection seemed so strong, I decided to push a little and ask him who “the father” was. He repeated that he was Cynthia’s daddy, but I still can’t tell if that’s the same person as “the father.” I asked who “his boy” was, and he said, “Well, I used to be a boy, then I got bigger. When I grew up I was a man.” It was wild stuff.

After a few months of frequent memories involving Cynthia, he stopped talking about that life altogether. Interestingly, last week I mentioned that a plant had died, and he asked me what dead means. I found this a bit odd given our conversation months earlier about Cynthia. I explained how living things die, and my son found it quite surprising and upsetting to learn that people also die. This made me wonder if he's in a bit of an altered state when he recalls his past lives since he seems to have an understanding of concepts that he doesn't possess normally. I've heard that children be "trance-like" when they have their memories, but for some reason I expected him to at least remember what he said!

I’ll be curious to see if we go through another few rounds of memories over the coming years. He’ll be turning 4 this autumn. Obviously I'm writing everything down and keeping my ears open. Everyone he spends time with is open-minded and knows how to handle potential memories without pushing. I'm just grateful that it seems to be part of a natural process and (so far) hasn't been associated with any significant trauma.

One final sweet observation which may or may not be related to past lives: for the first six months or so after my baby was born, my older son greeted him each morning with the exclamation "[Name]! I'm so happy I found you!" An odd turn of phrase, but I'm not convinced it's past-life related. Regardless, it always brought a smile to my face.
 
Just wanted to post an update on my son's recollections. Ever since he was about 3, my son has put on little "performances" for us. He finds a table to stand on, says "Hi! My name is Joey!" and proceeds to serenade us. Of course, his name is not Joey, and the songs are...a little out of tune (to put it charitably). This is something he only does for me and his father--he's not generally much of a performer. It always used to crack us up because he came up with the name "Joey" out of thin air and he would put on a whole routine (improvised microphone, dance moves, patter between songs, the works.) We have no idea where this game came from, but we told our parents about it because it was so cute and silly.

My son is now almost 5. He was recently driving with my father and he seemed to get into a bit of a thoughtful state. My dad asked him what he wants to be when he grows up. (By my dad's account) he said, "do you know something sad, Grandpa? I can't be a singer this time. I used to go to New York City and people would come and listen to me sing. I had a voice! Now I can't be a singer anymore and I really miss it." My dad was pretty flabbergasted. He didn't know what to say in the moment, but he told me about it as soon as he could since it struck him so strangely. In particular, the idiomatic phrase "had a voice" seemed peculiar and rather mature.

I do wonder if this has to do with a past life and with the "Joey" game. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my son has "a voice" this time around--at least not yet! He's never expressed an interest in either singing or performing professionally to me, apart from the Joey stage routine. Just a small update, but I thought I'd share.
 
Thanks for the added story, it surely sounds like he was a performer in another lifetime. Davenie Johanna "Joey" Heatherton (born September 14, 1944)? Maybe she is still alive, although there is nothing about her since 1997.
 
Interesting, KenJ. For some reason, I never even considered that "Joey" could be a girl's name. It looks like Joey Heatherton is still alive (and quite a colorful character in her older age...) I was initially very excited by what I read of her. My son can be a bit of a drama queen--at almost 5, he sometimes says things that would sound more natural coming from a 14-year-old girl. Also, while doing the "Joey" routine one time, he did a very strange series of what can only be described as "pin-up poses" (leaning on arms with one leg kicked back, sitting with arms bent overhead, etc.) He was about 3.5 at the time. While I doubt he was Ms. Heatherton (discounting, for now, the possibility of simultaneous lives,) I will entertain myself with the possibility that he spent a past life as some sort of showgirl!
 
Hi Crescent1. Thank you very much for sharing your story. It sounds like you are handling things well. You are articulate and observant narrative is very pleasing to read. I would suggest you maintain a journal of your observations and conversations. The journal would be good for you and your son, now, for processing the situation therapeutically, and later for when he is older and interested in the concept. I think you write beautifully and this certainly would be a benefit. Please let us know if you have any questions. Have you read Carol's books on children's past lives? They certainly would help you out if you haven't read them already. With kind regards, ~Tman
 
Hi Crescent,

The name that popped into my mind was: Joey Bishop. He was a singer, comedian and acted in movies as well as being a member of the famous "Rat Pack" that included Dean Martin, Sinatra, etc.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Bishop

Other famous Joeys can be checked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_(name)

Cordially,
S&S

PS--You can check him out on Youtube.

PPS--I am curious what would happen if you just happened to be playing some of his many videos on Youtube when your son came by.
 
Thank you all for the kind words and tips. I have read Carol's book and I am keeping a record of his statements. He's actually said many more things to me that seem to concern past lives, including a few isolated statements I'd almost forgotten until I went back to take a look at my notes. For example, our babysitter once overheard him and a friend quietly discussing the things they liked to do "when they were old women in Italy." I doubt he even knew what Italy was at time--he would have been about 3.5. Around age 3, he used to describe friends he knew and try to explain where they lived relative to "the yellow house"--I recorded the names "Keith" and "Vito"at the time (I don't think I even know anyone by those names, to say nothing of my son). There are many other examples.

I will confess, I never did much research to try to determine who my son may have been, mostly because I have a sense that he's described at least two or three lives, and it's almost impossible to determine which tidbits pertain to which life. The life concerning "the father" and "the boy" has a strong American working-class vibe. I suppose if I was ever able to get a full name, I could track down official records, but otherwise I doubt there's much to be found. Indeed, I found it most compelling as evidence of reincarnation due to its very mundanity (this also jives with my own past life recollections, the overwhelming majority of which involve past lives as average individuals who would have never left much of a trace in the historical record). Likewise, my impression is that the life involving "Cynthia" (if it is a separate life) was also quite humble. It's possible that Joey could have been a singer of note...or a workaday performer of modest repute. Of course, I will continue to listen, but he speaks of these things less frequently now. I would love him to give me one last lucid burst so that, when I eventually give him my notes, he will have more to really grab onto. We'll see.
 
Thank you all for the kind words and tips. I have read Carol's book and I am keeping a record of his statements. He's actually said many more things to me that seem to concern past lives, including a few isolated statements I'd almost forgotten until I went back to take a look at my notes. For example, our babysitter once overheard him and a friend quietly discussing the things they liked to do "when they were old women in Italy." I doubt he even knew what Italy was at time--he would have been about 3.5. Around age 3, he used to describe friends he knew and try to explain where they lived relative to "the yellow house"--I recorded the names "Keith" and "Vito"at the time (I don't think I even know anyone by those names, to say nothing of my son). There are many other examples.

I will confess, I never did much research to try to determine who my son may have been, mostly because I have a sense that he's described at least two or three lives, and it's almost impossible to determine which tidbits pertain to which life. The life concerning "the father" and "the boy" has a strong American working-class vibe. I suppose if I was ever able to get a full name, I could track down official records, but otherwise I doubt there's much to be found. Indeed, I found it most compelling as evidence of reincarnation due to its very mundanity (this also jives with my own past life recollections, the overwhelming majority of which involve past lives as average individuals who would have never left much of a trace in the historical record). Likewise, my impression is that the life involving "Cynthia" (if it is a separate life) was also quite humble. It's possible that Joey could have been a singer of note...or a workaday performer of modest repute. Of course, I will continue to listen, but he speaks of these things less frequently now. I would love him to give me one last lucid burst so that, when I eventually give him my notes, he will have more to really grab onto. We'll see.

I think you have a great modest approach there, and one day your kid(s) will thank you for it, and for keeping those notes, too, which one day may be invaluable to your son. I wish my parents had done the same, apparently I used to sing a lot to myself about 'made up' songs -- but just imagine if my parents had written any of those songs down -- I'd be very grateful. Those were pre-internet days though, and my family never took what I said (or sang) seriously.
 
Another update....
My son slept over my parents’ house last night. It apparently took him a long time to fall asleep since he used one of his oldest and most time-honored delay tactics—starting interesting conversations. My parents took turns sitting with him in bed, and at a certain point when he was getting quite drowsy, my father asked him about “when he had a voice” (specifically, he told me he said, “Remember when you told me you had a great voice? Maybe you’ll have a great voice again as you get bigger. You sing a lot.”) This prompted my son to provide a lot more detail about this presumed past life than he has previously, including an account of his passing.

He told my father that he was in a band and that he drove “into the City” (previously identified as New York) on weekends to sing. On one of these trips, he was involved in a “pile-up.” He said “gas must have leaked” because there was an explosion “as loud as a volcano” and things caught on fire. Then, he said his “voice and everything inside” flew out of his mouth, and made a motion bringing his fingers to his mouth and then flinging it away, sort of like blowing a "chef kiss". My father asked who else was there during the accident, and he said “Bella.” He explained that Bella traveled with the band, but she wasn’t actually in the group. An assistant? A roadie? He didn’t seem terribly upset by this recollection, but when my dad reiterated that he could have a great voice in this life too, he shook his head dismissively and said he’d never be as good again.

There's a lot more detail in this recollection that could, conceivably, be confirmed by research. I'm now relatively certain he was a member of a band, performed weekends in NYC, and died in a multi-car accident inbound to the city, possibly alongside a woman named "Bella." I might try to do a little research to see what I can find. I'm also hopeful that he will be able to provide more details in the future, since the memories seem to be getting clearer (or perhaps his ability to communicate them).

Happy New Year!
 
I searched and I found Joey Covington, born 1945 so it fits the mid century timeline. Joey was a musician listed as being a drummer, singer, and songwriter for various bands including Jefferson Airplane and Hot Tuna. He died in a car crash in 2013 while heading to a show in Palm Springs. He lived in LA and apparently also spent a lot of time in NYC too, naturally.

Could be something to look into. I will keep looking too. Here is the Wikipedia for Joey. He was originally from Pennsylvania. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Covington

This website has more information and has a recording of a song sung by Joey in 1967 too. http://www.joeycovington.com/#/
 
Thank you, Summer785. It was kind of you to undertake this research. I also looked into a few possibilities a few months back, using the information my son had provided. Joey Covington was one of the performers I considered. The dates do seem possible. My son was born approximately 18 months after Mr. Covington's tragic accident. I initially discounted him because 1) he died in a one-car crash, 2) as far as I could ascertain, he was driving alone, 3) my son suggested that the location of the accident was outside NYC (although I'd consider another candidate for "the city" like LA), and 4) my son is particularly proud of his "voice" in that past life, and while Mr. Covington did sing, I think he was primarily a drummer. Inspired by your post, however, I decided to take my son for a drive the other day and put on some of Mr. Covington's music. Both my sons enjoyed listening, but neither said anything to indicate recognition. For now, I'd have to label this one "unsolved"--for now! I'm hopeful that I might yet get that last piece of evidence that gives more definitive evidence. Thank you so much for taking the time to look into it!
 
Thank you, Summer785. It was kind of you to undertake this research. I also looked into a few possibilities a few months back, using the information my son had provided. Joey Covington was one of the performers I considered. The dates do seem possible. My son was born approximately 18 months after Mr. Covington's tragic accident. I initially discounted him because 1) he died in a one-car crash, 2) as far as I could ascertain, he was driving alone, 3) my son suggested that the location of the accident was outside NYC (although I'd consider another candidate for "the city" like LA), and 4) my son is particularly proud of his "voice" in that past life, and while Mr. Covington did sing, I think he was primarily a drummer. Inspired by your post, however, I decided to take my son for a drive the other day and put on some of Mr. Covington's music. Both my sons enjoyed listening, but neither said anything to indicate recognition. For now, I'd have to label this one "unsolved"--for now! I'm hopeful that I might yet get that last piece of evidence that gives more definitive evidence. Thank you so much for taking the time to look into it!

Crescent1, thanks so much for following up! I agree, there were definitely some inconsistencies between your son’s story and Joey’s. Playing the music and getting no reaction also is a very good indicator too. (The music was really cool though and Joey did have a awesome voice but yea, it seems he was mainly a drummer.)

Thanks again and feel free to update us with anything new! Take care!

Summer
 
An update. My oldest son (6) has not spoken of anything past-life related for the better part of a year. I suspect the door has closed on his memories. My younger son (3) is a bit less verbally fluent than my older son at the same age, much more willful, less "dreamy," but overall a great and happy kid. For some reason, I honestly never thought he would recall any past life memories. It just didn't seem in-character.

So imagine my surprise when, as I'm trying to get him to settle in bed, my little boy starts talking about a "yellow house"! I immediately recalled all the stories my older son used to tell me, right around the same age (even before my second son's birth,) featuring "the yellow house," "the father," and "his boy." My younger son asked me if I knew where the yellow house was. I told him I didn't and asked if he did. He started telling me that it was near one of the local parks we visit. Then he quieted in the bed and grew more thoughtful for a few moments. "It's not near the park. It's far, far away." I again asked him if he knew where it was. He said no, just repeated "far, far away." I asked him who lived in the yellow house. He held up five fingers on one hand and said, "this many people. The daddy, the mommy, and these more," adding, "they're all dead. The people in the yellow house. I miss it. Do you know where it is?"

I was quite shocked, but I quickly wracked my brain for some confirmatory detail from my older son's recollections. I remembered that he once mentioned Halloween decorations. So I asked my younger son if they ever decorated for Halloween at the yellow house (this was a bit more of a leading question than I usually allow myself, but I was just so curious). He said they had a skeleton but no hay bale like at our house. My older son did mention a scary skeleton at the yellow house, so that seemed like a pretty decent hit to me. We don't have a skeleton at our house, so it's not just simple projection. He also spontaneously mentioned a workshop a the yellow house (as did my older son). When I asked him if he used to live in the yellow house, he said no, but I couldn't tell if this was accurate or not. His recollections seemed to be bleeding into his current experience. I do wonder if the boundaries between present and past memories can be quite fluid at his age. It was almost as though he was struggling to place "the yellow house" within his familiar context, and slipping back and forth between greater and lesser awareness of his separation from that potential lifetime.

Every night since then, he's asked me to "tell more about the yellow house." He seems to want me to tell him about it, but of course, I have to say I don't remember it. He sometimes volunteers a bit more information, like the yellow house had two umbrellas outside or the yellow house was shaped like a rectangle with three triangles on top, but it's hard to tell what's fantasy and what's memory. The initial statement about the yellow house being far way and the people who lived there being dead really stood out because of his strange affect.

My older son began mentioning the yellow house when I was pregnant with my younger son, and he continued to speak of it for 3-4 months. He stopped mentioning it when my younger son was approximately 4 months old, so I'm doubtful of any "cross contamination." Needless to say, this development has really surprised me. The boys are extremely close, so I always assumed they knew each other before. But I certainly never imagined they might have met in "the yellow house." I'll continue to note any statements and recollections for my records.
 
"He sometimes volunteers a bit more information, like the yellow house had two umbrellas outside or the yellow house was shaped like a rectangle with three triangles on top, but it's hard to tell what's fantasy and what's memory."
- I wonder whether he might draw a picture, it might add something which is harder to put in words.
 
Alas, he doesn't really have the hang of representational art. It's all just squiggles and blobs at this point! I actually feel like his "rectangles and triangles" description was pretty decent. Since "the yellow house" seems very clearly to exist in a western context, for me it evokes a traditional American house with three gables or possibly three dormers. Of course, that's my assumption, and I'll see if he clarifies further without suggestions. Although if the opportunity arises, I wonder if I should show him some pictures, maybe without even mentioning the yellow house first.upload_2020-10-17_13-52-15.jpeg upload_2020-10-17_13-52-33.jpeg upload_2020-10-17_13-52-53.jpeg
 
An update on my older son's memories of being a singer who supposedly died in a car crash. We celebrated Easter with my parents this year, and they created an egg scavenger hunt in their backyard for my children, now 6 and 3. One of the clues read: "look near the tree where Joe and Freddie play." Neither of my children are named Joe and Freddie, so I asked my mom what this clue was about. My mom laughed and said, "Oh, don't you remember? When [X] was little, he always wanted to play down by the big tree with the swing because he said that's where Joe and Freddie were. They were his imaginary friends!" In fact, when he was about 2, my son did frequently mention a Freddie (whom he most frequently described as a spider!), and he also playacted performances as "Joey," but I had never seen him mention the two names together.

I'd long since given up on ever being able to identify "the singer" of my older son's memories. He no longer speaks of such things at all. In fact, I once overheard my younger son asking him if he remembered being big a long time ago, and my older son laughed at him, saying "We're kids! We've never been grown-ups!" But for some reason, the mention of my son's old imaginary friends made me want to try one last search.

I can hardly believe it, but I think I may have found "the singer." The key was putting "Joe and Freddie" into the search engine together. What popped up was a folk singing duo from the 1960s--Joe and EDDIE.

I found many short obituaries, but this is the most complete account:

"Gospel Singer Joseph Gilbert Dies In Auto Mishap
Joseph Gilbert of the popular Joe and Eddie gospel singing team, is dead. He was killed when his small foreign car overturned and burned on a transition road between two Los Angeles freeways. The handsome, 23-year-old entertainer was returning to Los Angeles from an engagement at the Cosmos Folk Club in Seal Beach....According to the highway patrol, Gilbert's 1966 Volkswagen struck a right curb, going downhill, and spun out of control. A passenger in the car, [a young woman], 19, suffered second-degree burns on her right hand, facial cuts, bruises and contusions. He was killed instantly. Gilbert and Ms. [x] were thrown from the flaming vehicle. His body was 225 feet away from the overturned car, officers stated. His passenger was lying on the center divider, 75 feet away....Gilbert, and his partner, Eddie Brown, 23, became increasingly popular during the last four years. Their greatest commercial success...sold 200,000 copies. They recorded nine albums and appeared on 30 major television shows. Joe is survived by his wife and two sons, age 4 and 7."

What checks out from the details my son mentioned years ago:
-a singer with a great voice (in fact, this duo is really phenomenal. I'd never heard of them before, but wow!)
-Known primarily for his voice
-died instantly in a car crash
-car caught on fire
-woman who is not associated with his group in the car with him at the time
-crash happened while driving "into the city"
-More research indicated that they did at least one national tour that took them to New York City
-I also wonder if his frequent concern about securing baby supplies for a woman had to do with these young children left behind

What doesn't check out:
-He called the female passenger "Bella" (incidentally, "Bella" can also be a nickname. I had a classmate who called me Bella for years, basically just as a compliment, although that isn't my name. Of course, I'm not sure if a 23-year-old African American kid would call a girl "Bella," but who knows?)
-We had the impression that "the city" was New York, and this crash occurred in Los Angeles
-He said the accident was a "pile-up," and this was a single-car crash
-The names, he spoke of Joey (not Joe, although apparently this wasn't the case when he was with my parents) and Freddie (not Eddie)
-He spoke of a "band," and although Joe and Eddie sang with instrumental accompaniment, I'm not sure you would technically call them part of a "band"

Since I doubt I'll ever get more details, I suspect this is the best possible identification we'll ever have. I wouldn't call it a slam dunk, but there are few details here that seem like a decent match, especially coming from a 2-3 year-old. I thought I'd post an update since some folks were kind enough to make suggestions and do some research of their own. Plus, it's always nice to have some sort of resolution to these things.

Also, PSA, please always wear your seat belt! My heart dropped when I imagined that poor, talented kid being flung 225 feet from a flaming vehicle. It's a genuine miracle the passenger survived a 75 foot flight with only minor injuries.
 
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Very fascinating, Crescent. Of course, I took a look at who Joe Gilbert had been. I understand. Great voice. So now I am curious to know what will happen when you present your boys the (innocent) music test. I think you handle things well.
 
I waited to find a good time to play some Joe & Eddie songs for my son. He's a very busy almost-7-year-old. The days of dreamily recalling "other times" are behind him. I decided the best time would be on a car ride, since that always got him in a thoughtful state of mind when he was little. Although he enjoyed the songs, there was no significant response as far as I could tell. He hasn't spoken of any memories in almost two years. I think that chapter is closed.

One of the songs I played for him was called "The Things I've Saved." It was the final song recorded by Joe Gilbert and, (coincidentally?) the only one he sang solo without his partner. It's very beautiful, but...a bit of an unusual selection for such a young man. Much more appropriate for someone at the end of his career, but then I suppose it was the end, even if he didn't know it. You can listen to it here:

I'm finally leaving, after all
One last word, I don't wanna holler down the hall
Everybody leaves something when he goes away
After I'm gone, here's what I hope will stay

Violets in springtime
Starry nights in fall
Sunlight on a summer's morning
Love to warm you when the snowflakes fall

The spark in the eyes of children
And secrets whispered by the sea
A countryside like a great cathedral
A place called home, a land forever free

This will be my last will and testament
Being of sound body and mind
This will be my last will and testament
These are the things I choose to leave behind....

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
This could be purely coincidental but Joe Gilbert and Eddie Brown were cast members in the 1957 Berkeley High School musical production of "Babes in Toyland" (based on the 1903 Victor Herbert operetta, not the movies which came later). Both were about 16 years old at the time and were already singing together. Anyway, Crescent1 mentioned that her oldest son talked about a duet "Joe and Freddie" ( Joe and Eddie) while playing outside in the garden. He was about 2 years old at the time. He said "Freddie" was a spider.

Back to the 1957 Berkeley High School production of "Babes in Toyland" (Berkeley, California). According to ancestry.com Joe (Gilbert) played Alan, the lead character in the play, while Eddie (Brown) played one of the Dandies in the Chorus.

Synopsis of the Scenes:
Act 1, Scene 1 -- Contrary Mary's Garden, a summer afternoon.
Scene 2 -- The Spider Forest, the next day.

One of the dancers is a Spider (played by Cathy Brownell).

Joe and Eddie had already performed together as a singing duet in 1956 at Berkeley High (so Freshman or Sophomore year) winning first place in a talent competition.

The 1957 BHS yearbook also mentions that Joe (Gilbert) was president of Berkeley High School's A Cappella Choir.
I'll bet they were pretty good.

Crescent1 -- Here's a suggestion. Why not play musical numbers from the operetta "Babes in Toyland" to your oldest son and see how he reacts. Especially, Floretta. In the original operetta Alan sings several of the musical's numbers. The operetta's songs are available on youtube, search for "Babes in Toyland" operetta and you'll find them there.

The plot of this family-friendly operetta is also worth reading about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babes_in_Toyland_(operetta)#1903_version
 
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