Past Life Memories vs Mental Capacity?

In my opinion there could be a big difference between a pure self and a true pure self that has gone to another level


You must continually work hard with self to both improve your abilities and you connections to the physical world. It is important during each incarnation to make yourself work hard at improving self. The physical brain works completely differently to self and his memory. It has its own ways of working things out and interpreting information. The never ending education of self is essential for this and many other reasons In my opinion you must help self to get to the point where he will be aware of the dying process of the physical body and his reincarnation process. You would remember the dying process of the physical body before it died and you escaped. You would remember the process you went through as you reincarnated You would remember being trapped in a young physical with limited abilities


Again in my opinion after going through all of that you would be rewarded by self going to another level. But it must begin at the ground level of working hard with self.


There is a part of reincarnation that has never been discussed.


What about the pure self's of our physical mothers? What influence if any do they have on the process of self being reincarnated back into a physical body?


I believe when a self who has gone to the next level and enters the mothers physical body prior to the birth of the new physical form something must happen Here is a self who has gone to the next level and the physical mothers pure self together in a physical body. There would be at minimum a communication


There is so much all of us does not know or understand


This is very briefly what I believe It is not based on science, religion, what has or may have happened before. It is solely based on what is happening to me.


Regards


John

I have commented on your paper I will set out below what I believe. A lot of your paper talks about amnesia in its various forms. We both agree we have a pure self that reincarnates over and over again. Where we do not agree and where I get a little confused with is when you talk about your belief in a blending of some of the physical entities identity with your pure self.

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There is no question of blending. I simply do not believe in the existence of physical entity which would be a mix of mind and body. I only believe in the existence of selfs [or is the right spelling 'selves'?] with their minds, incarnated in a body and surviving the death of that body.

I may have misunderstood but that is how it came across to me. I do not agree with that. I believe pure self is completely separate identity with his own memory and awareness and therefore is not effected by amnesia. He is John Brown incarnation after incarnation. If he was not this separate identity he would get caught up in the problems you talk about including amnesia.

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If you were right about this, how do you explain that most of us do not recall previous lives in our present state? If you were right, we couldn't be our selfs! We wouldn't survive death nor reincarnate. We would be annihilated at death!

He is connected to the physical body but completely separate to it.

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So he doesn't interact with it and is not affected by the body, is that what you're saying. If you were right, it wouldn't be the self who is perceiving, acting or remembering things. We are doing those things, so that would mean we are not our selfs! We're just perishable 'physical' beings who haven't been here before, and will be destroyed when our bodies are destroyed. That is very different from my view!

If previous live memories do not come from self's memory they can never be trusted.

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In my world view, only the self has memories. We are the self and therefore we remember. There is no such thing as a physical entity.

I will give an example of why. We will assume someone does have a quinine previous life memory of being John Smith that did not come from self.

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That wouldn't be a real memory.

Just as happens in our physical lives memories can become confused even altered. from what really happened. John Smith could have been someone a person admired, or whished they were, or read in a book or saw in a movie. As a result John Smith becomes a previous life memory for that person, but not in the proper context of who John Smith was.

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Either a self was John Smith or it was not. In the first case remembering the life of John Smith is a real memory, in the second case it is not.

Pure self memory never gets confused because he gathers information and memory as a completely separate identity.

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But that is obviously not true. Because memories may become distorted and false. So the self's memories (the only type of memory that exists) may get confused.

In my opinion some of the confusion people experience is caused by them not accepting physical life is all that matters. Yes we do have a pure self and soul but they must occupy a physical body living in the physical world to fully function.

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I don't agree, because that would mean they wouldn't function in the afterlife! All the evidence seems to demonstrate that this is not true.

Everything for us and about us revolves around us existing and surviving in the physical world. There are no gods or a heaven and hell to go to.

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Again, this is not what we learn from the evidence.

Self must reincarnate and occupy a new physical body. If you were faced with the reality of being a self and having vivid memories of each incarnation would things be as good as you would think?

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Meaning....?

At what physical age of the physical body would you say to yourself I have had enough of this ageing body and want to move on? But you cannot you must wait for your time. Self cannot end a physical life and continue on.

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Of course it can. Have you never heard of suicide?

You would live in constant fear of where will I end up net time?
You would have to be clear about your purpose. Your planning and plans would have to be for countless incarnations, not just the current one.

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Why???

You would fully understand how different you were
There would be times you would be lonely. You would know there must be others the same as you but you cannot find them


You would have no memories of previous physical attachments to physical entities other than those you occupied


It would go on and on

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I don't follow.

John Tat said:

In my opinion there could be a big difference between a pure self and a true pure self that has gone to another level

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I don't understand what you're saying here.

You must continually work hard with self to both improve your abilities and you connections to the physical world. It is important during each incarnation to make yourself work hard at improving self. The physical brain works completely differently to self and his memory. It has its own ways of working things out and interpreting information.

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What do you mean? Isn't it obvious that the processes of our memory can be influenced by the impact of processes in the brain?

The never ending education of self is essential for this and many other reasons In my opinion you must help self to get to the point where he will be aware of the dying process of the physical body and his reincarnation process. You would remember the dying process of the physical body before it died and you escaped. You would remember the process you went through as you reincarnated You would remember being trapped in a young physical with limited abilities
Again in my opinion after going through all of that you would be rewarded by self going to another level. But it must begin at the ground level of working hard with self.

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I don't have a clue what you're saying here.

There is a part of reincarnation that has never been discussed.
What about the pure self's of our physical mothers? What influence if any do they have on the process of self being reincarnated back into a physical body?


I believe when a self who has gone to the next level and enters the mothers physical body prior to the birth of the new physical form something must happen Here is a self who has gone to the next level and the physical mothers pure self together in a physical body. There would be at minimum a communication

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Okay, but what is the point here? What would be the connection to remembering a previous life?

There is so much all of us does not know or understand
This is very briefly what I believe It is not based on science, religion, what has or may have happened before. It is solely based on what is happening to me.

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Sorry, but I simply don't understand what you're trying to say.


Shall we leave it at that? Thanks for your contribution anyway.


Titus

Titus


You do not understand because you either are not capable or do not want to

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Titus
You do not understand because you either are not capable or do not want to

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Whatever the explanation, I think you have tried hard enough to explain it to me by now.

Titus


The reason you gave is one of the points I'm trying to make on this forum. Reincarnation is beyond human comprehension and understanding. You do not understand what I'm talking about because you have no real comprehension or understanding what reincarnation is and why it happens


My point is made by you not understanding, not disagreeing with what I said


Those who's beliefs are based on science, religion, faith and traditional beliefs are like children searching in a dark room for a toy that does not exist.


I'm certainly not saying I have the answers, but I'm not restricted by false understandings ,faith and ignorance. I only know what is happening to me


The truth is out there still to be found

John...


There is no reason for sarcasm. You can always agree to disagree.


Everyone has different POV regardless of who you are, what your experiences are or what your research is. That's why the field of reincarnation and consciousness studies is so difficult to explain, and or prove. Be kind. $P$

Deborah


Sorry but I get frustrated at times Its my own fault because when I'm posting something I do not take into account it may not be understood by others what I'm trying to say


Just one example


When I say our souls and self's must occupy a physical body to fully function, what I mean is......


For our souls and self's to have direct influence in the physical world they must have a physical body at their disposal to take physical actions for them in the physical world. If they do not have a physical entity and body at their disposal they cannot fully function


If you believe in god and religion then part of the physical entities purpose is much the same as ministers and priests working in the physical world for their god


God cannot fully function without his physical representatives on earth just as our souls and self's cannot fully function if they do not have a physical entity and body at their disposal to do their work in the physical world. It's impossible for me to go into such lengthy explanations with everything I say, that is my problem

Why we must endure Childhood, if we were born before


If we do reincarnate, then how it is done? Do we remember who we were, what we did? Why must we endure childhood? How do we keep “ourselves” through the first stage of our life? The process is fully explained by Spiritism.


When we are born, we are deliberately denied our past memories. There are very good reasons for this. As others have said on this forum, people are reincarnated in groups and some are reincarnated together to heal old wounds. How would that work if you knew your brother killed you in a past life? Then you wouldn't have the chance to come together and forgive.


Read about Childhood and Reincarnation


John - to your point, please read Allan Kardec's "The Spirits Book", given what you wrote above, the answers are in that book, not all, but the beginning of the explanation to describe the process of physical to spirit and back again, over and over. The book gave me the "ah ah" moment, for something I had been searching for you years.

Brian


The trouble is they are all theories. Nobody understands how the process works. Even if you remembered going through the reincarnation process you would still have no idea how and why it works. It could be similar to getting onto a bus in the middle of a dark night. You would be aware of getting on the bus then in complete darkness you may be aware you are moving, sometimes at very high speed. You cannot see anything, so you would have no idea what the hell is going on or where you were going Then after what may have felt like a days and days of time everything would stop and in the pitch blackness of the reincarnation process you may be made aware the reincarnation process was over


It is interesting does live begin again in the pitch blackness of the reincarnation process, not in the light as Christian's believe?

Theories


Yes, you are of course correct, they are theories, not hard proven facts.


I chose to believe in Spiritism because 15 years before I met my wife she had a NDE in which she learn about her future. At first I merely dismissed her as rambling. Typical attitude of someone who doesn't believe. But when very specific events came true I tried to discover how could the future be written?


I, who had always believed in free will, had to find out how our life could be planned. Now I know that we do have freewill, but it is limited to our choices in certain events and our attitude.


Again, for me I have proof, but who knows that I am not making all of this up? I wasn't smart enough to write down the things my wife told me and put them in escrow beforehand.

Brian


What you say is exactly right. Seven years ago I had a massive heart attack and nearly died. Three months later I began to have memories of what has happened to me. I have worked with those memories and as I do, I remember more and more. I cannot prove what is happening to me just as you cannot prove what you believe in . In the end it does not matter who believes and who does not believe in that which we believe and that which has happened to us

we start a fresh as individuals


I think basic knowledge we must re-learn because we are not meant to remember past life. If that happens, it is a bonus but by far not the norm. We are born again to advance spiritually and some of this core knowledge is in our subconscious, alas not the basic alphabet and counting numbers.


Think about this forum - we are the minority of the people and some would look at us as kooks. The more advanced you are spiritually more of the chance of remembering some past life stuff.

Why we don't rmember the past


I believe you could be correct, some are allowed to remember certain aspects. According to Spiritism, the vast majority aren't allowed to remember past lives for a variety of reasons.


I have a post on that here Why Childhood is an important part of Reincarnation/


But to summarize;


1. We are here to learn through new trials. We are here to adjust our attitude, if we knew all we wouldn't be so easy to modify.


2. The spirit world will reincarnate people together for a purpose. For instance, say you cheated someone out of an inheritance. That person could come back as your child. You wouldn't want that child hating the parent right of the bat.


We do retain two important aspects;


1. Our conscience - so that little voice in your head telling you not to do something, actually may have thousands if not millions of years of experience - it may be wise to listen to it


2. Instinct - Again, you retain that feeling for when danger or opportunity may occur

are we the past or the future?


John and Titus, I found your conversation interesting. If you believe in fibanacci principle, and simultaneously believe that creation occurs before existence, then to me it isn't a stretch to believe that our past lives actually exist in the future. (As an aside, I believe that the world and all that it encompasses was created in a series of "days" and on the seventh "day", it all existed at one time, with time making the existence appear as if it wasn't all at once.)


I understand that communicating this concept is a challenge, however if creation and existence occur almost simultaneously, with time as the barrier between the two... and if this is indeed a Universal Law, then the past life that I have experienced in my mind actually may have not yet existed.


In this way, I mean to suggest that it gets jumbled when you are talking about true self. Your true self knows what came before it existed because it created it.. and it knows what came after it existed because it experienced it. In this lifetime, we experience everything as if it is real, and we have memories of real experiences, therefore we tend to believe that memories of a past life is real and that it has already happened.


It is, therefore possible, that someone with amnesia had amnesia in every lifetime after. Perhaps I should do some reading to see if there is such a thing as future life progressions.


Are we moving away from Adam and Eve in our existence? Or are we moving toward Adam and Eve in our existence? Is it possible that we remember all of our past lives because they were created before we existed... and are yet to exist? In that way, our soul is whole and complete because it is the creator of all things past, present and future. Before the process can be complete, however, all that has been created must come into existence.


Food for thought...

Hi Samantha and welcome to the forum.


What you talked about was both interesting and educational.


When we talk about did creation occur before existence, can past lives exist in the future and so on we are really asking is time relevant? There is no doubt time is relevant in the physical dimension. The fact that our physical body gets physically older over time is proof of that


The real question about relevance of time is... in another dimension or some place where time has no relevance can my pure self occupy numerous physical bodies at the same time in the past, present and future?


The question is how restricted if at all is the pure self while he is occupying a physical body in the physical dimension where time is relevant? In my opinion that fact we do exist in the here and now in this physical dimension is extremely relevant

John Tat said:

Hi Samantha and welcome to the forum. What you talked about was both interesting and educational.

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thank you

John Tat said:

When we talk about did creation occur before existence, can past lives exist in the future and so on we are really asking is time relevant? There is no doubt time is relevant in the physical dimension. The fact that our physical body gets physically older over time is proof of that
The real question about relevance of time is... in another dimension or some place where time has no relevance can my pure self occupy numerous physical bodies at the same time in the past, present and future?

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I don't know the answer, however I don't think so. As an analogy, I think of the game "lean, stand, sit" where there is constant movement between the three and there can be no two people in the same position at any one time. In other words, there is a moving forward in time concurrently with moving backward in time. When I come to "know a truth", I have never come to know it based on someone else's actions, only my own. There is no truth in my soul as I consider that I may be living two lives concurrently. I live one physical life, in the present. I live one soul life and it is able to move from present to past to future based on what was created in the past, what is currently existing and what has existed in the past. Wow, it becomes a complicated conversation, doesn't it? Perhaps if I were to relate what I am trying to say to creating a budget. When I experience the budget, I make adjustments as reality happens. In a pure analogy, however, I would know how much I ended up with before I created the budget.


The question is how restricted if at all is the pure self while he is occupying a physical body in the physical dimension where time is relevant? In my opinion that fact we do exist in the here and now in this physical dimension is extremely relevant


I suppose this is an invitation to jump down the rabbit hole of fate versus destiny, etc. My head hurts thinking about that conversation, so I will leave it for another day.

the real question to me is...


If I resolve all of my past life issues during this life time, am I done? Is it truly possible to do that? Is that what "Jesus" did?


P.S. As I was re-reading your question and my response, I was visualizing a race where you run >>> 300 yards, then < 50 yards, then >>> 300 yards, then < 50 yards. You are traveling in a >>> direction, however you only win the race by also heading <. And by the way, do you turn the air conditioner up or down to make it colder?