Next Life's Lessons

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by Deborah, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Dr. Charles Richards focuses on what he calls Soul Journey's , a non-hypnotic method of past life work; the following is from his newsletter and I thought a few of his points would make for a great discussion.

     
  2. Don LH

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    I'm inclined to agree


    In the teachings of The Western Mystery School, the student is told we reincarnate every 450 years or so! I'm certain that can be true if a specific, very convoluted set of circumstances are being allowed to unfold before a new birth opportunity can present itself. However, in "modern times" I would expect those opportunities to present themselves more frequently, even in group scenarios, and personal accounts on this forum would tend more to verify that, than discount it.
     
  3. Karoliina

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    Again - this makes me wonder how time is perceived in the between state. It seems I have been reborn very quickly every time as far back as I remember, but I don't know the reason for this.


    I believe it's possible we are taken to our next incarnation - not planning it in detail ourselves - but I still believe we get to choose whether we accept the life offered to us.


    Thanks for an interesting story, Deborah!


    Karoliina
     
  4. Eevee

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    Maybe the next life's lessons are best applied when you are reborn faster - IF the lessons you choose/need to learn are connected with your LAST life before the rebirth.


    In my own experience, I am encountering relationships/problems to be worked on that have their roots in a lifetime in Ancient Egypt around 1550 BC, among others. There are also things I need to work on that relate to a lifetime in the late 1800's in England, and recently I discovered that I also have continued on a relationship that started in the early 4th century in Thessaloniki.


    Eevee
     
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    Eevees argument strikes a cord with me. I believe that the lessons we choose/need doesn't necessarily (only) have roots in the last incarnation. From that perspective the speed at which a soul is reborn has no consequence for the lessons that needs to be learned.


    It was a great story Deborah, thanks :)
     
  6. Charles Stuart

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    Hi Deborah,


    Very interesting... :thumbsup:


    From my own experience, I have learned that Spiritual Guides or Masters can and do not only determine our future lives, but also influence our day-to-day, our choices and even our "karma".


    Hi Karoliina,

    I believe this is not always so, in particular with those with "heavier karmas".
     
  7. tanguerra

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    As always I am deeply suspicious of neat (especially linear) theories which are supposed to be able to be applied as one-size-fits-all rules.


    I think it is a bit more 'chaotic' than that. By chaotic, I mean in the mathematical sense - that there may be order, but it is so complex it is hard to see the patterns (as in the way smoke billows, or clouds form).


    I believe the more experience and the more consciousness people develop throughout the course of their many lives the more subtle and complex the lessons become. Every situation we are presented with in life provides us with the opportunity to learn something. Some lessons are very brutal and harsh, some much more subtle and complex.


    Some people are very aware and are fast learners, others more stubborn and resistant. Some lessons are easier for some people than others to grasp. It's personal. It's individual.


    I personally doubt there is any connection with how much 'time' one spends on the 'other side' - although of course it is always interesting to conjecture and see if a pattern can be found.
     
  8. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Interesting. ;) I read his premise to suggest another POV that does not embrace the status quo found in so many books. Which is why I posted it. :cool It seems to me that a lot of books are based on the authors BEST cases..... cases that confirm their personal theories. I liked the fact that he was presenting another possibility - his case was a great example of course...but I don't think he is presenting it as the only way.

    Tanguerra, you stated -

    An excellent point and I couldn't agree more; however, I think he is making a similar point - in that he is presenting another possibility; breaking the mold set by New Age theorists. I have my own POV which is more like your statement: It's personal and each is unique. ;)
    I think it is too easy for people to identify WITH an authors theory and cling to it as truth - not really looking within for what is real for them....and how karma works at a personal level.


    Don -

    I got a good chuckle at this. :laugh: I like your way with words...... makes me wonder just how convoluted souls can make their personal circumstances. ;)
     
  9. Charles Stuart

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    Hi to both of you,

    Couldn't agree more... Apparently it depends on each soul/spirit's evolutionary level of consciousness, and there also seem to be several different "realms of existence" in the spiritual universes, in accordance to the different levels of consciousness, awareness and moral evolutionary stages of each soul/spirit.
     
  10. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Hi Charles,


    So then how do you understand his statement in the original quote?

    It seems he is implying that the lessons are learned quicker in the physical not the spiritual realms.
     
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    Interesting premise for sure. I can see the point of quick movement and the idea of maintaining momentum. But I agree with Tanguerra, every soul's journey is unique. Since learning and accepting reincarnation as a reality, I've also come to the understanding that the limitations our cognizant minds place on things is folly. We're struggling with earthly minds on cosmic matters; we're only touching a grain of sand in this great universe. Dr. Richards has certainly put forth an interesting and plausible thought...I can relate in my own situation.


    Tinkerman
     
  12. Charles Stuart

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    Hi Deborah,

    Still under the concept of "spiritual evolution", it seems that the less evolved soul/spirits, who therefore have more lessons to learn and a greater urgency to do so, do indeed reincarnate at a faster rate than a soul that is more evolved. The soul/spirits of a higher order reincarnate at longer intervals, and there are those that no longer even have the need to reincarnate.


    Apparently, the longer or shorter intervals are determined not only by a soul's choice, but also in accordance to the density of its spiritual body, and this density is determined by the soul/spirit's evolutionary degree. The more evolved a soul/spirit, the more subtle is its spiritual body, and therefore less drawn to the greater density of the physical realms. The process seems to work through attraction...

    Yes, although the reason for this is beyond my comprehension, this does indeed seem to be the case. It is for this reason that ALL soul/spirits must undergo the reincarnatory process. Perhaps because experiencing in the physical, without the knowledge of the eternity of each soul, carries with it a greater weight in terms of emotional experience? But I believe that, when we are in the spiritual realms, our overall understanding is expanded, and we continue to learn, experience and progress. Perhaps some lessons are learned faster in the physical and others in the spiritual? Or the lessons are of different natures?


    For whatever reason, reincarnation is the process that was determined. Why it should be this way is a question for which your guess would be as good as mine... :thumbsup: ;)


    What do you think?
     
  13. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    HI Charles,

    Perhaps - but I cannot help but feel that our intellectual intelligence (mind), our heart intelligence, and our emotional/feeling center (solar plexus); working in tandem with our belief's, draws us to our next experience. Here is an example:


    My grandmother passed away a few years ago. She had dementia and passed at age 84. She was angry with her husband who died before she did, (even though they had a good marriage) and she was always upset with her sister Ruth - who also passed away before she did, but only by a few years. Grandma was not religious, she did not go to church. She really didn't adhere to any belief system except to be kind to others and live a "good life."


    The day she passed, my mother was with her, she whispered into her ear "Mom, come back as Ruth's daughter - so the two of you can heal."


    A year after her death, mom kept noticing her mothers presence and the fact that she seemed upset. Mom asked why. The first time grandma's reply was "I am waiting for someone." Mom worried who would pass next. She wondered who her mother was waiting for. The next time mom asked - she replied, "Do you know how long I will have to wait to be Ruth's daughter?" Mom was puzzled but then remembered what she has whispered into her ear before she had died.


    Mom then told her mother she didn't have to wait; that she could come back when she was ready. Mom sensed her mothers surprise and in a blink of an eye she was gone. A few days later she experienced a vision of a little boy named Nathan. This child died from infant death syndrome at a month old. Grandma came back and told her what happened. "The body could not sustain life."


    Is grandma again still waiting? We're not sure. But I do know that what grandma believed, what she held in her consciousness, she created. Time was slow for her, she thought she had to wait for Ruth to grow up.


    I think that what we learn in life can be understood better in the spiritual realms or higher dimensions; however, if it was not for the physical experience - how would the spiritual realms..understand. ;) What a paradox heh?
     
  14. Charles Stuart

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    Hi Deborah,

    Yes, I believe you are right in this... And, in fact, this combination apparently works at an even faster rate in the Spiritual Realm in order to "create". It is apparently for this reason that those with "lower" or "more impure" thoughts and intentions tend to be drawn, in the afterlife, to places where the "vibrationally created reality" is in accordance to their own levels. This is why many who pass over can experience a temporary state of "hell".

    Yes. I believe the purpose of "incarnating" is precisely in order to "emotionally experience", and therefore better "understand", the results of the choices of our own free will... :thumbsup:
     
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    Choosing A Life


    Hi all,


    This is a fascinating thread! My guess is that "younger" and more "inexperienced" souls get decisions made for them in some aspects of their next life. More experienced souls may go through a longer, more intensive planning period. I distinctly remember being pushed hard to choose one life or another... the decision wasn't made for me but many conversations with my peers and my teachers convinced me despite my hesitation.


    I actually had a dream recently about a life planning session that was so fascinating. My spirit group and I were in a small meeting room with a sunk in area that had steps all around a center depression. We were sitting on the carpeted steps during the meeting.


    I was given a choice of a handful of lives and was shown a process where I could step into that life and experience a bit to see what I thought. I saw the major players in my life and in the subsequent discussion period my spiritual group members showed themselves as various members of these lives.


    It was truly an intellectual and emotional decision I had to make and teachers, guides and peers discussed my choice forwards and backwards.


    Bonnie
     
  16. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Do new members have any thoughts about this? It's a beautiful example Richards shares.
     
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    Between lives vision


    Hi all,


    I had a vision showing me the harshness of this particular life, here, in Texas -- how it would be. It wouldn't always be harsh, but it would be a huge tribulation to bear for several decades. I had a choice of an easier life, and was given information of that life. Then I was shown a glimpse of the tougher life, and my vision showed me that I was given a choice, and that I chose the harder life. Why? Because I was told that if I chose that life, the growth to my soul, and to my twin soul would be incredible. It was an enormous opportunity to work through alot of life lessons quickly.


    I saw this vision in September 2004. My twin soul found me several months later; I'd incarnated as a female, and he incarnated as a male in this life. I never told him about all this, in detail, and yet, he has created artistic works showing all the details I saw in that vision. Those particular works weren't created until sometime in 2006 or 2007, I forget exactly which. It's been a crazy ride, I must say!!


    The between life vision showed my TS begging me, pleading with me not to go through so much suffering, to allow him to go in my place instead. But the die was cast, and I knew I had to do what I had to do. A great being of light and love and harmony, which I took to be God, lovingly explained to my TS that we were forever entwined, as we are two halves of the same life spark, and we are always destined to find one another, and would in this lifetime, as well.


    So much has happened in such a short time I can't even begin to describe it to where it would make any real sense. But, it has been a beautiful journey. It helped me make sense of so many things in this incarnation that hadn't made any sense at all before.


    I can't stress the importance of meditation enough, of going within the self for answers to so many burning questions.
     
  18. 2 Seek

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    :thumbsup: Have me crying here mate! Joyious cry at that.
     
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    Aussie, what a beautiful story! Thank you for sharing that. :)
     
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    Joy and gratitude


    Hi folks, more joy and gratitude for you and this list.


    I have had two soul readings, one hypnotic regression and one Woolger session so far. The Woolger session gave me the most integration and healing.


    I attempted an LBL session with a Michael Newton trained therapist, but was blocked somehow from going "there". I suspect part of it was the therapist herself, I believe she held some negative judgments about me from things we discussed prior to the session. I also believe she didn't spend enough time and work in the induction process. A $450 session. I did, however get to know what I experienced in choosing this particular body. It's 65 years old today, but as healthy as many 30 year olds. 6'3", 210 pounds, with pretty good flexibility and strength. I was aware of a deep sense of obligation and responsibility in choosing this vehicle.


    This lifetime has piggy-backed onto the short one (<6 years) that immediately preceded it. No 450 years between these two, I don't know about the others (yet). That life was about learning courage and compassion, and I learned those lessons well, but carried over most of the wounds as soul memories and habits. My wife (who was my elder sister then) was with me when the Gestapo took us from our parents and home in Germany to a camp in Poland where we eventually died. From German Jewish orphan to 7th generation WASP professional military man. Can you say "diversity"?


    Besides my wife and I, I know others who have made rapid transitions from the Shoa (Holocaust) to lives in the present. I believe it was because it was great opportunity to learn soul lessons during a large-scale event. Many souls took advantage of that opportunity. I don't know whether I volunteered or was "drafted" by higher beings yet. I just know that many souls participated.


    I also know a man who was a Commandant of a concentration camp. His choices in Germany were; go to the Eastern Front in Russia and die there leaving his widowed mother with no support, or run a concentration camp. He was born in this life in 1969. He is a big, gentle man who loves children and animals. You should see the tenderness he is capable of. He is totally devoted to me and my wife, he is our youngest son. Of our three children, he is the one my wife and I want to have near to help us in our real old age. He knows this, he's the only other family member I have that even believe in reincarnation, let alone have any memory of it. I told him over breakfast recently that he is living and fulfilling his life mission through his love and support to me and his Mom. He respects and loves me very much. He carries deep scars in his soul, and is going to do a therapy session with a Woolger trained facilitator.


    This raises many questions, doesn't it? How much courage did it take to be a concentration camp Commandant?
     

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