Questions about Pre-planning

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  1. MarineSF

    MarineSF New Member

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    Deborah,

    Anytime someone asks me for a reference regarding research to the afterlife, i'm going to point them to Michael Newton who wrote Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. In both he speaks extensively about pre-planning. His research was done through "life between lives" hypnotherapy. Similary to past life regressions but a step further, to accomplish it one must be in a deeper state of hypnosis which takes longer to achieve. But once achieved, the individual can access their subconscious and connect to the spirit world. His research is based on thousands of clients who report their "life between lives" with striking consistency. So what does he say about pre-planning? Well i don't have the book in front of me right now, but I will sum up what I remember and after I am done my finals I can go into more depth.

    First thing involved is the life review. One studies his or her previous life, lives, and can access every memory and thought he or she has ever had since creation. You study the good and the bad, the karmic lessons that you have learned, and the ones that still need to be learned. Depending on your level of soul development, the soul will come up with a variety of future lives that he or she would like to live. They then talk about these lives with their spirit guide and get advice as to which would be the best to live next. After consulting with your guide, you go to a "council of elders," highly advanced spirits that know what your soul needs to advance to the next step. They will usually offer one or two future bodies, but will ALWAYS leave it up to you to make the choice. You can see your entire future life, old age, even death, which you will forget upon birth. Now, hearing this one might think that this eliminates free will. But it doesn't. I general life path is set out, and depending upon free will decisions that you make in that life, a whole multitude of different paths can be opened up. The bottom line is that your soul is learning. You have a certain goal or goals for each life, and if you make the correct decisions you will achieve those goals. If you make other decisions, you will still be learning other lessons.

    After speaking to the council you make your final choice. If you don't want to take their advice, you can go ahead and be some corrupt glamorized rock star who makes a lot of money, has a lot of sex, and does a lot of drugs. You probably will not make any spiritual progression this way though. If you take the advice of your guide and the council you will be on a path of spiritual development. After seeing your future life, you confirm it with them, and then go to the preparation stage. In the preparation stage, you figure out with others from your soul group as to how you are going to meet up in the next life. Certain cues are given and you study hard so when these cues come along in the next life, you will know you ahve met a soulmate. You study your life, the decisions that you should make, and what you are supposed to learn / what your purpose will be. For those of you on this forum who have figured this out in this lifetime, good for you. I haven't yet, i'm only 21, but i'm well on my way. Once final plans have been made with your soul group mates, I believe you reincarnate, forgetting everything that you studied in the soul world, but of course keeping your soul identity and karmic lessons you have ever learned with you in your soul memory, which will be with you in the next life. You just have to remember it.

    This description does not do Newtons description justice. But i hope it gives you a basic idea of what happens. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND getting his book journey of souls. it had an amazing spiritual impact on my life and his work with clients had a tremendous and eye-opening impact on theirs. More to come when I have more time, prob in a week or so. Til then, take care.
     
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  2. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    HI MarineSF,

    I am familiar with Newton's work. :D "His research was done through "life between lives" hypnotherapy. I hesitate ...based on his form of research -hypnotherapy. I hesitate to take his cases as the template for what happens for the masses; based on the fact that authors tend to present their best cases in order to clearly present their premise. Not to put his work down, I like his books and work.

    Does he state in his book - anywhere - beyond the client cases where the belief of preplanning began? Does he reference anything in history? I am truly curious. I loaned my copy out years ago -and never got it back. Does anyone else know?
     
  3. Chansa

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    Cosmic Cradle

    I don't know about Newton but:

    http://www.cosmiccradle.com/pre-birth_agreements.html

    I did a google search using "blueprint" and "pre-birth" and the first hit is this website for the book Cosmic Cradle: Souls Waiting in the Wings for Birth by Elizabeth Carman, Ph.D., and Neil J. Carman, Ph.D. Though I can't vouch for this book personally as I just discovered it, it seems pretty credible and I'd like to have a look at it myself.

    The url provided links directly to the section of the site called "Pre-birth agreements" which I chose because I liked the skimming over of ancient cross-cultural examples.

    After perusing the site a bit more, however, the specific texts that refer to pre-birth life planning seem to be the Vedas, The Torah, and the Bible but it's implied that there are MANY, many others. If not specific texts, then certainly oral traditions and other forms of art.

    I do not know how much emphasis is placed on reincarnation but I thought you might be interested anyway. ;)
     
  4. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone else recommended this book to me a while ago and I forgot all about it. Thank you Chance -for posting. This is exactly what I am looking for. :):):)
     
  5. Lila P

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    This book is not ancient, but is based on ancient Tibetan teachings:

    The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying by Sogyal Rinpoche.

    The book has 4 parts:

    1. Life
    2. Dying
    3. Death and rebirth
    4. Conclusions

    In the third part the writer describes life between lives and how you prepare for the next incarnation.

    According to these teachings, it looks that detailed pre-planning is not a rule, some people are more or less forced to incarnate again because of karma, some are just eager and busy to come back on earth. :tongue:
    However, those who want to spend a good life, seem to plan their next incarnation pretty well in advance.
     
  6. Karoliina

    Karoliina Moderator Emerita

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    I'm not a new member :D but I loved to re-read this thread as I was pondering over these questions just yesterday.

    Unfortunately I don't have any ancient texts or reasearch to quote :( but I won't make any personal statements, either. I'd like to ask if there are answers to be found from those ancients texts or reasearch to a couple of questions:

    Do they make a difference between pre-planning and knowing beforehand? To me, it's a very different thing to either plan one's life - like make it up from nowhere - and to know the basic outlines of a lifetime you then get to choose, or it is chosen for you, or you are just drawn there.

    If a soul needs to be developed to a certain level before it gets to plan/choose one's life, how does this go with the idea of non-linear time and living all our lives at the same time? Is there still a learning process going on? Could it be that in a lifetime we think we remember from the, say, 1500's our soul was more developed than now, and we got to choose that incarnation but not this one?

    If we are drawn to familiar surroundings, why do we sometimes get/choose a different kind of life and then go back to "routine"? (I'm sorry, this question is based on personal experiences and memories.)

    I had thought many other questions, but I haven't had breakfast yet and my brain is not functioning properly. :D I'll get back to this thread if I remember them. But I'd like to have possible answers based on ancient texts and/or research to keep the thread on topic.

    Last but not least: Has someone already read the Cosmic Cradle?? It sounds very interesting! :thumbsup:

    Karoliina
     
  7. Charles Stuart

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    Hi Karoliina,

    "If a soul needs to be developed to a certain level before it gets to plan/choose one's life, how does this go with the idea of non-linear time and living all our lives at the same time?"

    To me, this is the strongest argument against simultaneous lives and simultaneous time. :thumbsup: To me, our reincarnations are sequential, and each and every one of us is unique, indivisible and eternal.

    "If we are drawn to familiar surroundings, why do we sometimes get/choose a different kind of life and then go back to "routine"?"

    Because (again to me) some souls choose to reincarnate in certain surroundings in order to help other souls in their evolutionary process. Often we see cases of people who are kind, generous and loving in environments or families that are not. They reincarnate in different surroundings to teach others, or learn from others in the opposite case.

    Hi Lila,

    "According to these teachings, it looks that detailed pre-planning is not a rule, some people are more or less forced to incarnate again because of karma."

    My thoughts precisely... :thumbsup: ;)
     
  8. Green26

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    Karoliina wrote:

    That is something I would like to know too! Ancient texts don't really seem to go into detail that much but there are some "new age" sources that discuss pre-planning. Firstly there is the channelled Seth material by Jane Roberts. I don't really know that much about the Seth material other than what I have read on the internet and I am not sure if you can even trust channelled spirits on such things.


    Secondly there is the work of Joel Whitton and Michael Newton who are both hypnotherapists and both came to the same conclusions about pre-planning, they said that most souls did pre-plan their lives to some extent and that they even planned bad things to happen in their lives to achieve spiritual goals. One of Whitton's clients pre-planned a rape to happen to her in her thirties and one of Newton's clients planned an accident which made her a paraplegic.


    Newton and Whitton both claim that souls become a lot more alert and conscious while in a discarnate state and had a heightened sense of ethics and morality.


    The problem I have with preplanning is this :


    How can a highly aware "ethical" soul plan a rape or horrific accident to happen to itself or anybody else? Planning a rape or malicious accident on this side of existence would land you in jail due to obvious issues of morality.


    I also remember that with one of Newton's clients his spirit guides were very angry with him because he had sexually abused a young girl. Can we see the double standards emerging here? So basically if we are involved in something nasty like a rape and it was pre-planned that's fine because it is all in the name of spiritual progress but if it wasn't it was considered as wrong.


    So the idea of pre-planning as Whitton and Newton present it is not something I am particularly fond of because of the obvious contradictions and double standards and also because it presents the notion of pre-planned Sadism being acceptable as well as emotional coldness towards ourselves and others.
     
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    Ever since discovering reincarnation, I have been wondering about the pre-planning aspect. Because I'm not happy with my life.

    I'm a preemie (I was born six weeks too early) which resulted in a weak eyesight, hard of hearing and weak finger and mouth muscles. I'm also not happy with the way I was raised, which likely results of some kind of early trauma: because of my weak mouth muscles, I couldn't be breastfed and was fed the bottle. And because my mom decided for me that I wouldn't need bottles and pacis after a certain age (even though in fact I still needed that for comfort!) I've developed a weakness for those things. Thus, it has influcenced my views on child raising. I believe in unschooling and attachment parenting and letting children decide for themselves when to stop breastfeeding, for instance. But it likely stems from the wish that I had been treated like that.

    I also have the desire to be female and wish to be born a girl in my next life.

    So I would like it so much if I could choose my gender and my next family: one that supports free childhood, unschooling and extended breastfeeding and self-weaning.
     
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    Hi, everybody.

    My pre-plan is simple, even primitive.

    I pre-plan in my next life to resume my previous life, prematurely truncated when I was still young, from the point where it was stopped - more or less, and to finish it as it had been, maybe, pre-planned in a still earlier life.

    I hope it's not asking for too much of the Eternity, and the very thought of it makes my bones melt.

    Not that my present life has been bad, contrariwise, but I just can't help it.

     
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    That raises the question how/if we preplan our deaths.
    It's all so complicated. :confused::eek:o_O
     
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    There must be some misunderstanding here.

    I never thought about pre-planning my death.

    "it" stands for "my previous life", i.e.:

    "...and to finish it as it had been, maybe, pre-planned in a still earlier life..." =>

    => "...and to finish [my previous life] as [my previous life] had been, maybe, pre-planned in a still earlier life...".

    [To finish] stands for [dying naturally in a very old age], not at 25 years.

    That death at 25 yers was NOT pre-planned, it was a war casualty.

    I don't think my being killed in the war in 1940 were somewhere pre-planned.

    I think if my previuos life was pre-planned at all, that pre-planning didn't include the death in 1940,

    but almost surely it did include a successful surviving in the war and a long life afterwards, marrying and having children, and so on.

    Any plans we make are always modified by the reality, they are not iron-clad.

    Regards.

     
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    Very strange indeed..
    Like: I had pre planned life with four kids after my 26th birthday and so on. But I was killed in war at 25, or died in car accident, or cancer took me out.
    That means, the births of those four kids did not happen according to the plan.
    The more we give room to the freedom of choice, the more we have to admit that we are living the plan b or c or d..
     
  14. Cyrus

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    Yes, that's how it works IMHO.

    Being realistic helps a lot.

    If I plan to enter, e.g., the Naval Academy of Livorno at the age of 20 in my next life, it doesn't mean I'll enter there for sure.

    If an asteroid falls in between, or if I ruin my liver with drugs and whiskey while a teenager - those plans may have a very sad end.

    It's not like the Best Government Securities Fund, alas ! And, even if it were...

    The most secure thing here is the Death.

    IMHO.

    Regards.
     
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