Visitors while sleeping? Or nightmares?

[Mere Dreamer]

Even if it is hypnagogic hallucinations, they would still be reflections of her internal world. Solving a sleep disorder is a good thing, and it would be helpful to see this as an opportunity for self development as well.


TheGlow, either way, I think it would be amazing for you to face the source of your fears so you can settle some of the subconscious clutter. I think it's very promising that you have discovered you are able to shield yourself.


Now, I wonder if you could define what they look like so they won't seem so scary? Not just by saying, "Please appear as a flower," (Though they might.) but perhaps by considering what feels safe to you and asking that they remain within your sense of comfort.


Until now, they've been using fear to get your attention, so they tend to look fearsome. What if, instead of fear, you offered them a calm witness to what they want to show you? You can create a safe place, internally, and arrange meetings on your own terms.


Since you know you can keep them out with the light, you know you can close yourself to them if you feel afraid. You can even set up some experiments for that purpose and invite one to show up so you can prove to yourself that you can at any time close these visions out.


I think you might learn a lot about yourself if you look at this as an opportunity to face and learn from these fears until they no longer control you. You may find that they aren't scary at all once you really see them for what they are.

 

[TheGlow]

Good to hear. Maybe, try one night surrounding yourself in 'white light' and just asking one, small one to show itself and ask it what it wants? Try not to freak out, although I know it's hard!

That sounds totally reasonable. Good thought.

They could be spirits, but another answer you should look into is hypnagogic hallucinations. This is a medical condition (no you are not crazy) that is considered a sleep disorder. It is a malfunction in REM sleep that causes vivid hallucinations while falling asleep or waking. Sometimes this is also accompanied by sleep paralysis.
During a period of extreme stress for about a year I got these often and would wake up screaming in the night and would wake my SO and I would see things like spiders and weird neon shapes. People who have this condition often report seeing people standing near their bed or talking to them and they look as real as life.


Talk to your doctor who would probably refer you to a sleep specialist who can help diagnose you if it is a sleep condition. The condition does not have to be treated with medication, just better sleep hygiene and improvements made to sleep by adjustments in daily life can help get rid of it. They can also do sleep studies to determine if you are having poor sleep.


I just wanted to throw that out there before we jump to conclusions. Like the person above said, anxiety could be a contributing factor.

could be, it isn't an every night thing so I think it would be tricky to time it with a sleep study but anxiety is a factor in my life for sure

Even if it is hypnagogic hallucinations, they would still be reflections of her internal world. Solving a sleep disorder is a good thing, and it would be helpful to see this as an opportunity for self development as well.
TheGlow, either way, I think it would be amazing for you to face the source of your fears so you can settle some of the subconscious clutter. I think it's very promising that you have discovered you are able to shield yourself.


Now, I wonder if you could define what they look like so they won't seem so scary? Not just by saying, "Please appear as a flower," (Though they might.) but perhaps by considering what feels safe to you and asking that they remain within your sense of comfort.


Until now, they've been using fear to get your attention, so they tend to look fearsome. What if, instead of fear, you offered them a calm witness to what they want to show you? You can create a safe place, internally, and arrange meetings on your own terms.


Since you know you can keep them out with the light, you know you can close yourself to them if you feel afraid. You can even set up some experiments for that purpose and invite one to show up so you can prove to yourself that you can at any time close these visions out.


I think you might learn a lot about yourself if you look at this as an opportunity to face and learn from these fears until they no longer control you. You may find that they aren't scary at all once you really see them for what they are.

I'm looking forward to trying this. Thank you

 

[Eowyn]

could be, it isn't an every night thing so I think it would be tricky to time it with a sleep study but anxiety is a factor in my life for sure

I disagree with the sleep paralysis being linked to a sleep disorder, that's something astral travellers know very well and in this case scientists just don't know what they're talking about. So believe me, you don't need any sleep study to resolve this.


Anxiety is indeed a factor, yes. The reason is: when we are anxious, our mind is pretty active and it's hard for us to sleep, so our body goes to sleep, while your mind stays conscious. That means you become aware when your astral body leaves your physical body, and you start to perceive the astral. There's nothing pathological here, it's normal for everyone, only normal people lose consciousness and get asleep before the separation takes place.


Of course, relaxation will help you. Also all the tips we've given you so far. I wouldn't call what you saw hypnagogic hallucinations. They are real, be it "real entities" or creations of your mind. Only you can tell the difference, taking control, being aware of what is happening, and facing them.

 

[Ehrenbreitstein]

Don't you think you people are doing an incredible disservice to "TheGlow" by telling them to straight-up ignore a possible medical condition and to just take spiritual advice on the matter?


Living a wholesome life means being a reasonable adult and tending to both spiritual and physical needs with proper discernment and care.

 

[Ehrenbreitstein]

could be, it isn't an every night thing so I think it would be tricky to time it with a sleep study but anxiety is a factor in my life for sure

That's not how a sleep study works. They test how well you are able to enter the sleep stages and receive restful sleep on an average night. There is a multi-factor diagnostic process with the actual sleep study being only one component that contributes to an overall picture.

 

[Eowyn]

Don't you think you people are doing an incredible disservice to "TheGlow" by telling them to straight-up ignore a possible medical condition and to just take spiritual advice on the matter?
Living a wholesome life means being a reasonable adult and tending to both spiritual and physical needs with proper discernment and care.

Mine is not "spiritual advice", it comes from actual experience and knowledge. I think in this case trying to investigate a supposed "medical condition" (unproved, btw) would only bring confusion, and if they prescribe any kind of medical treatment it would only make things worse or just repress a natural thing.


I'm tired of fighting with scientists in this matter. They only want to give a rational explanation to something they just can't understand, as they haven't experienced it. You look for "sleep paralysis" or "hypnagogic hallucinations" on the internet and you only find scary things, or doctors telling you you're unbalanced or crazy. Things are much easier than that. It's our mind, it's its normal functioning. While we keep thinking these phenomena are supernatural or pathological, people will keep believing they have something to fear, and this is not true.


Like I've explained other times, I'm a vet and I'm a scientist, and quite a grounded person, I think. I value science a lot, but there are certain things they are very far to be able to explain. This is only one of them.

 

[Mere Dreamer]

Zeonchar, I've been through several sleep studies, and they told me all sorts of things about how stress was affecting my ability to sleep. They blamed mild apnea and stress. The pills they gave me for the sleep issues made me quite crazy (afraid of drowning in a bath, when I've always soaked for hours).


In the end, what helped me sleep better was changing my lifestyle (getting out of abusive relationships and allowing myself to rest all day if needed) and eating habits (bringing back a the natural foods that I had removed from my diet because of health fads, especially salt and fat), practicing flexibility and balance (yoga and resistance stretching), and learning to breathe more deeply.


Oh ... and facing my fears one at a time and finding my inner strength. My dreams gradually became courageous, my life then became courageous ... and now the health problems that were associated with those sleep issues are so much better that sometimes I call myself healed. (I will grow even more healthy than I am now.)


Yes, doctors sometimes find a solvable medical problem, and if TheGlow is concerned she should check it out. Still, when it comes to sleep, they are often only measuring the consequences of our internal worlds reflected on the physical body. It can give insight, and I love the science of the brain so I did find the process very interesting, but their solutions were ... pretty useless for me at least (and I know I'm just one person, so take that as personal experience and not a recommendation).


Often science chooses not to understand the spiritual component of this at all, so they tend to dismiss the necessary soul journey and then scorn anyone who who faces or fears the challenges there, thus adding stress (and chemical prescriptions) to an already volatile mix.

 

[deborah]

Hi TheGlow,


Each of us is unique. Members on the forum can only offer suggestions; some speak from personal experience. That does not mean their experience is the right answer for you. Only you can decide. Remember that spirituality is a daily walk, what we think today may change based upon a new experience in the future.


Seeking medical advise is also a wise choice. Eliminating any physical problems cannot hurt. In fact, I would advise it. Not just one opinion but several and from different fields of study.


If nothing comes of it, then seek spiritual advise from someone who is trained in the field, do a regression with someone like Carol. Do research and look into their background and training.


I hope this helps. Here is an excellent list of resources for those wishing to do some research:


Carol Bowman's Past Life Center


Carol Bowman's Library


Roger Woolger's site


Brian Weiss


Henry Bolduc


Ian Stevenson


Dr. Charles Richards


Helen Wambach Ph.D


William Buhlman


Elisabeth Hallett


ChildSpirit Institute

As for the conversation - it's best to state "In my opinion.." or "In my experience...." or "may I suggest..." than to state someones spiritual experiences and or health questions as a matter of fact.

 

[TheGlow]

That's not how a sleep study works. They test how well you are able to enter the sleep stages and receive restful sleep on an average night. There is a multi-factor diagnostic process with the actual sleep study being only one component that contributes to an overall picture.

I do appreciate your protectiveness towards my health. It's great you are willing to advocate for others.


Just to ease your mind a bit. These have happened randomly over the last 25+ years. I have always been extremely health. Actually the only time I have ever been suspected ill was two years ago. I was sick and tired for 7 months. Thought I was dying I was tested for everything from cancer to aids, free medical care provided chests rays, MRIs and abdominal ultrasounds and man they took a lot of blood. I'm freaky healthy.


No issue with all that was ever found finally two clients who were nurses told me off about working to hard. I had been working on my small business which is very physical 12 hours a day 7 days a week and basically was working myself to death. Slept almost nonstop for a month ate better took lots of vitamins and I fully recovered. Actually that time period is the longest stretch where I had no visitors. Never thought of that. lol


Anyways I think for now it's safe to put the sleep study on hold and pursue this as either real entities or something my mind is creating. If that doesn't prove fruitful I promise to ask the doctor to investigate, though I am quite sure the psyc-ward would be his first referral.

 

[TheGlow]

Oh and I should ad I have zero sleep paralysis. I jump like my sheets are on fire when I see these things. lol

 

[TheGlow]

Thanks very much Deborah, I would love to have someone good do a regression with me. Anyone have a personal experience with someone in ontario canada. Or I will be in Cincinnati early February.


To many charlatans hanging out a shingle at the moment to know who to hand my $ to.


I will look at those you list Deborah and do appreciate the links. I just would love to see someone who has been used by someone here

 

[Eowyn]

Oh and I should ad I have zero sleep paralysis. I jump like my sheets are on fire when I see these things. lol

You don't need to be in sleep paralysis for these things to happen. Sleep paralysis is just "a secondary effect". Though many people experience it while they're having these dreams/visions, once you know what is happening to you (you're out of your body in the astral, IF your body is asleep), you become accostumed and you are perfectly aware how you return to your body right before waking up. This is not a dream. This is the natural process.

I had been working on my small business which is very physical 12 hours a day 7 days a week and basically was working myself to death. Slept almost nonstop for a month ate better took lots of vitamins and I fully recovered. Actually that time period is the longest stretch where I had no visitors. Never thought of that. lol

Of course, when you're so physically tired, none of us is aware of anything while sleeping, apart from dreams, if we can remember them. When you're phisically ill and there's something that makes you restless, or you're very stressed and you can't sleep, then it's more likely you'll be more aware of that moment when you separate or you come back. I think you have to differentiate when exactly this takes place, as the interpretation could change.


You say you jump when this happens: could be you're seeing them in the astral and you get so scared you come back immediately to your body, and then you "wake up" (you are already "awake" in the astral, it's only you don't know this and you think you were awake in the physical world. This is the reason it's so confusing and you doubt if it's a nightmare or reality). Of course this is just my interpretation of what could be happening. Only you can know the truth, as I said above.

 

[TheGlow]

You don't need to be in sleep paralysis for these things to happen. Sleep paralysis is just "a secondary effect". Though many people experience it while they're having these dreams/visions, once you know what is happening to you (you're out of your body in the astral, IF your body is asleep), you become accostumed and you are perfectly aware how you return to your body right before waking up. This is not a dream. This is the natural process.
Of course, when you're so physically tired, none of us is aware of anything while sleeping, apart from dreams, if we can remember them. When you're phisically ill and there's something that makes you restless, or you're very stressed and you can't sleep, then it's more likely you'll be more aware of that moment when you separate or you come back. I think you have to differentiate when exactly this takes place, as the interpretation could change.


You say you jump when this happens: could be you're seeing them in the astral and you get so scared you come back immediately to your body, and then you "wake up" (you are already "awake" in the astral, it's only you don't know this and you think you were awake in the physical world. This is the reason it's so confusing and you doubt if it's a nightmare or reality). Of course this is just my interpretation of what could be happening. Only you can know the truth, as I said above.

Oooh k now this kinda explains the last one I had.... It was very different and confusing so I didn't even try explaining this part of it.


I saw the little thing on the floor but it was directly beneath me. I never experienced that before and couldn't figure out how if I was laying down I could see the floor so kind of thought some how I was seeing through my bed.


When I noticed the lack of anything under me I was really more concerned I was going to fall on the ground so scooted over a few times till I had something solid and wouldn't fall.


Starting to think now I was not in bed but beside it because I scooted over 3 times and my bed is just a queen size which I share with my husband, there isn't room to scoot over much at all let alone the distance I went.


I'm really confused now but that actually makes more sense than I could come up with to explain that I had just woken up but could see the floor under me. I maybe wasn't really in my body till I moved back into it.

 

[Eowyn]

Exactly, TheGlow! :thumbsup:


You were using your astral vision, not your physical eyes, that's why you could see through your bed, or maybe you were floating just beside as you describe. That position of your astral body while sleeping is also very common. It seems you "woke up" before you returned to your physical body.

 

[Mere Dreamer]

I'm really confused now but that actually makes more sense than I could come up with to explain that I had just woken up but could see the floor under me. I maybe wasn't really in my body till I moved back into it.

Have you read this thread yet? Eowyn created an excellent guide to the basics of astral projection, which might help you identify what you've been doing all this time.

 

[TheGlow]

Exactly, TheGlow! :thumbsup:
You were using your astral vision, not your physical eyes, that's why you could see through your bed, or maybe you were floating just beside as you describe. That position of your astral body while sleeping is also very common. It seems you "woke up" before you returned to your physical body.

Wow that is too cool. The other neat part was the light I described on my wall. The exact pattern was the same but while I wasn't fully awake it was much brighter had a greenish tinge, I described it to my husband the next day that I was seeing more of the energy than I could when fully awake. Like my eyes were seeing more wave lengths. Could that be third eye?


I'm going to have to do some readin tonight. Thanks so much!

Have you read this thread yet? Eowyn created an excellent guide to the basics of astral projection, which might help you identify what you've been doing all this time.

Thanks! I will go read that now.


Funny I almost didn't even start this thread. So glad I did. I'm very grateful for this forum and all you who post.

 

[Eowyn]

Wow that is too cool. The other neat part was the light I described on my wall. The exact pattern was the same but while I wasn't fully awake it was much brighter had a greenish tinge, I described it to my husband the next day that I was seeing more of the energy than I could when fully awake. Like my eyes were seeing more wave lengths. Could that be third eye?

Of course, the third eye is the one responsible for the astral vision. The light you describe is also typical. You are right calling it "energy", it's because what you see is not exactly the physical world, but a "reflection" of it, you see its energy. It's like everything has its own inner light. And this happens with everything, including "bodies".

 

[TheGlow]

Of course, the third eye is the one responsible for the astral vision. The light you describe is also typical. You are right calling it "energy", it's because what you see is not exactly the physical world, but a "reflection" of it, you see its energy. It's like everything has its own inner light. And this happens with everything, including "bodies".

Going to have to pay more attention to the details next time.

 

[tanguerra]

I was wondering today how this is all going? Has it settled down? Stayed the same? Just curious.

 

[TheGlow]

I was wondering today how this is all going? Has it settled down? Stayed the same? Just curious.

I'm emberessed to say. I had to stop it temporarily.


I don't seem to be able to get past the fear response and after 4 nights in a row dreading going to bed I finally put two night lights in my room. Currently it's bright enough I can't see shadow or light. I have had the wake up half way thing a few times but I'm not seeing anything interesting.


When life is a bit more peaceful I will try again. I need sleep right now.

 

[argonne1918]

I don't seem to be able to get past the fear response and after 4 nights in a row dreading going to bed I finally put two night lights in my room. Currently it's bright enough I can't see shadow or light. I have had the wake up half way thing a few times but I'm not seeing anything interesting.
When life is a bit more peaceful I will try again. I need sleep right now.

Are those the LED "candle" night lights? I have two in my bedroom, one in the hall, dining room, and living room. Just enough so I don't lose my bearings when getting up during the night.

 

[TheGlow]

Little update.


Just another thanks to all who offered help with this.


I had not had any "visits" since I last posted but had some weird spiritual growth thing happen last week which maybe opened me up to being a bit less fearful when I'm sleeping and vulnerable.


Anyways last night even with the led nightlights I had a visit from something astral or maybe I astral projected or whatever it is.


I had been asleep but laying on my back I could see at the side of my bed a form with not the blue/green light from before but a white wavy outline of light. Couldn't see features just a shape between the white outline.


Anyways my first response was fear but less than normal. I didn't scream. I just thought quietly "I really wish that was just my husband... But it's not"


Then I felt the energy move towards me and actually bump me like a wave.


At that point it seems I turned it into a lucid dream because I was scared but thankfully not enought to wake up screaming again.


Anyways as the energy continued to come toward me I willed it to have my husbands face. It was rediculous and I knew it wasn't him but I was no longer scared. I don't remember anything after that.


So totally not sure what exactly transpired. But I feel progress was made.