Visitors while sleeping? Or nightmares?

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  1. tanguerra

    tanguerra Moderator Emeritus

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    lol :)
     
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    hydrolad Senior Moderator Super Moderator

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    Eowyn and TheGlow (and other's)


    I usually don't "Pigeon Hole" or put a lot of labels on things, I just go along with the flow and see where it goes.


    To "TheGlow" - I've always been real good with animals and they seem attracted to me, I don't know if it is telepathy or perhaps the soothing colors in my Aura (I'm a big fan of the Aura).


    As for OOBE's or projecting, you are right, Eowyn, I don't seem to attract "Bad Things" perhaps this is where "Nightmares" come from, encountering bad things while OOBE projecting???


    Eowyn (or anyone else) have you ever woke up from a dream so peaceful that it felt like you had traveled to the "Other Side" and you tried really hard to go back to sleep and return there, but could not, just wondering!!! :)
     
  3. Eowyn

    Eowyn Wrought out of steel

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    Well, OBE's are always different, and it's a very subjective experience and hard to explain, but yes, after all the reading I've done and my own experiences, I definitely think you attract bad things if you are feeling bad, and you create your own reality, most of the times unconsciously, if you don't have enough control.


    People who encounter all type of "dark entities", usually it's because they strongly believe in them. This also would explain the visions of many people during NDE's. Then there can be real dark entities, but I think these are rare. In AP literature one of the most important tips is that you have to be in control of your emotions and never, never, have bad intentions, as you attract "beings" with the same vibration. The author of the latest book I was reading always moved in the closest plane to the physical world, and he only mentions a "demon" once. Real people I know who are learning to astral project have never seen entities, and I can only speak of a lucid dream in an old flat where these "lost souls" started to come to me and I told them all to go on to the light. Especially one of them looked very sad and depressed, he had a little girl with him and he told me he was looking for his daughter, but something bad had happened between them and was afraid of how she would react. The others were just like "normal people" you talk to in the street. And in my AP's I also talk to many people, but they are never threatening.


    Nightmares seem to happen when there is something disturbing you, so yes, I have no doubt some of these could be from "bad things" taking shape in the astral.

    Well, if you mean the "other side" as the spiritual world, I don't think I've ever been there while sleeping. But every time I have a experience in the astral I certainly come back awed and feeling good, usually very relaxed and happy, as it feels so great to feel free of physical boundaries and be "somewhere else" (I'd love to say to travel wherever I go, but that hasn't happened yet!). Then it's frustrating when you have to wait for the next time, as it rarely happens when you want to.
     
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    hydrolad Senior Moderator Super Moderator

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    Thank You Eowyn


    Thank You Eowyn for your expertise, your contributions are quite valuable to this Forum.


    I too never know when an OOBE will occur that I can remember with clarity, by chance (in my case) it occurred because I was thinking of that person and perhaps I was worried about them.


    Perhaps "Desire" is a strong motivator to a OOBE that is remembered when waking, or it may just seem to happen for no reason that we know of, but in fact there might be a good reason, it's just we don't know the reason yet. :)
     
  5. Eowyn

    Eowyn Wrought out of steel

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    According to Muldoon, desire is one of the four main factors behind the behaviour of our astral bodies (conscious or unconsciously):


    1. Dreams.


    2. Desires (to possess or do something, not a necessity).


    3. Bodily desires (necessities).


    4. Habits.


    These factors contribute to the activation of our subconscious will, the one that ultimately drives our astral body.


    This would explain the reason why many persons, after their deaths, remain attached to a place or a person and become ghosts: it can be just the desire to see their sons, for example. And habits are very important too. That's why when you are in the astral it's more likely you will go to places you know well or it will work better if you try to do something you usually do in your normal life, like going to the bathroom.
     
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    So I thought I would post a quick update.


    After I started this thread the first night I forgot to do the white light thing and had the little light/sound life form on my floor that night.


    I actually realized I could see an unusual light on the wall coming in through the window at the same time that I could see and hear the small thing on the floor.


    When I screamed a little(harmless little thing so only a small fright) the " spirit " view faded but totally awake the light pattern on the wall from the window was still the same. The light was just less bright otherwise still the same.


    That pattern was unusual due to a funny bunching of my blind so nothing that I'd seen before. Not sure that makes sense rereading it but point being I know it wasn't a dream because I was seeing something that was still there after I fully was alert.


    Anyways after that night I did the white light thing and do it when ever I try to douse. I haven't had any visitors since.


    I know that could be


    -the white light is keeping them out(but they never seemed really evil just creapy so not sure why that would be unless they were dark things


    - they were a projection of my fear so feeling safe they are not created


    - they see holidays cause me enough stress and figure I need to be treated more carefully right now


    Or - maybe they are with others who need them, know them, need comfort right now.


    Jury is out but thought it was interesting all the same.


    I will keep you guys updated and thank you for you guidance and care.
     
  7. Nangijala

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    I`m working with an audio learning course by William Buhlman about OOBEs. Buhlman says the repeated sighting of strange creatures can indeed be a manifestation of your inner anxieties. He recommends to try to stay calm and to risk a face-to-face encounter with these beings. This could lead to an incredible spiritual experience and the dissolving of your most limiting fears.
     
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    Dammit gotta get that startle response under control. :)


    Very good to hear though.
     
  9. tanguerra

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    Good to hear. Maybe, try one night surrounding yourself in 'white light' and just asking one, small one to show itself and ask it what it wants? Try not to freak out, although I know it's hard!
     
  10. ZeonChar

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    They could be spirits, but another answer you should look into is hypnagogic hallucinations. This is a medical condition (no you are not crazy) that is considered a sleep disorder. It is a malfunction in REM sleep that causes vivid hallucinations while falling asleep or waking. Sometimes this is also accompanied by sleep paralysis.


    During a period of extreme stress for about a year I got these often and would wake up screaming in the night and would wake my SO and I would see things like spiders and weird neon shapes. People who have this condition often report seeing people standing near their bed or talking to them and they look as real as life.


    Talk to your doctor who would probably refer you to a sleep specialist who can help diagnose you if it is a sleep condition. The condition does not have to be treated with medication, just better sleep hygiene and improvements made to sleep by adjustments in daily life can help get rid of it. They can also do sleep studies to determine if you are having poor sleep.


    I just wanted to throw that out there before we jump to conclusions. Like the person above said, anxiety could be a contributing factor.
     
  11. Mere Dreamer

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    Even if it is hypnagogic hallucinations, they would still be reflections of her internal world. Solving a sleep disorder is a good thing, and it would be helpful to see this as an opportunity for self development as well.


    TheGlow, either way, I think it would be amazing for you to face the source of your fears so you can settle some of the subconscious clutter. I think it's very promising that you have discovered you are able to shield yourself.


    Now, I wonder if you could define what they look like so they won't seem so scary? Not just by saying, "Please appear as a flower," (Though they might.) but perhaps by considering what feels safe to you and asking that they remain within your sense of comfort.


    Until now, they've been using fear to get your attention, so they tend to look fearsome. What if, instead of fear, you offered them a calm witness to what they want to show you? You can create a safe place, internally, and arrange meetings on your own terms.


    Since you know you can keep them out with the light, you know you can close yourself to them if you feel afraid. You can even set up some experiments for that purpose and invite one to show up so you can prove to yourself that you can at any time close these visions out.


    I think you might learn a lot about yourself if you look at this as an opportunity to face and learn from these fears until they no longer control you. You may find that they aren't scary at all once you really see them for what they are.
     
  12. TheGlow

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    That sounds totally reasonable. Good thought.

    could be, it isn't an every night thing so I think it would be tricky to time it with a sleep study but anxiety is a factor in my life for sure
    I'm looking forward to trying this. Thank you :)
     
  13. Eowyn

    Eowyn Wrought out of steel

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    I disagree with the sleep paralysis being linked to a sleep disorder, that's something astral travellers know very well and in this case scientists just don't know what they're talking about. So believe me, you don't need any sleep study to resolve this.


    Anxiety is indeed a factor, yes. The reason is: when we are anxious, our mind is pretty active and it's hard for us to sleep, so our body goes to sleep, while your mind stays conscious. That means you become aware when your astral body leaves your physical body, and you start to perceive the astral. There's nothing pathological here, it's normal for everyone, only normal people lose consciousness and get asleep before the separation takes place.


    Of course, relaxation will help you. Also all the tips we've given you so far. I wouldn't call what you saw hypnagogic hallucinations. They are real, be it "real entities" or creations of your mind. Only you can tell the difference, taking control, being aware of what is happening, and facing them.
     
  14. ZeonChar

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    Don't you think you people are doing an incredible disservice to "TheGlow" by telling them to straight-up ignore a possible medical condition and to just take spiritual advice on the matter?


    Living a wholesome life means being a reasonable adult and tending to both spiritual and physical needs with proper discernment and care.
     
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    That's not how a sleep study works. They test how well you are able to enter the sleep stages and receive restful sleep on an average night. There is a multi-factor diagnostic process with the actual sleep study being only one component that contributes to an overall picture.
     
  16. Eowyn

    Eowyn Wrought out of steel

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    Mine is not "spiritual advice", it comes from actual experience and knowledge. I think in this case trying to investigate a supposed "medical condition" (unproved, btw) would only bring confusion, and if they prescribe any kind of medical treatment it would only make things worse or just repress a natural thing.


    I'm tired of fighting with scientists in this matter. They only want to give a rational explanation to something they just can't understand, as they haven't experienced it. You look for "sleep paralysis" or "hypnagogic hallucinations" on the internet and you only find scary things, or doctors telling you you're unbalanced or crazy. Things are much easier than that. It's our mind, it's its normal functioning. While we keep thinking these phenomena are supernatural or pathological, people will keep believing they have something to fear, and this is not true.


    Like I've explained other times, I'm a vet and I'm a scientist, and quite a grounded person, I think. I value science a lot, but there are certain things they are very far to be able to explain. This is only one of them.
     
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    Zeonchar, I've been through several sleep studies, and they told me all sorts of things about how stress was affecting my ability to sleep. They blamed mild apnea and stress. The pills they gave me for the sleep issues made me quite crazy (afraid of drowning in a bath, when I've always soaked for hours).


    In the end, what helped me sleep better was changing my lifestyle (getting out of abusive relationships and allowing myself to rest all day if needed) and eating habits (bringing back a the natural foods that I had removed from my diet because of health fads, especially salt and fat), practicing flexibility and balance (yoga and resistance stretching), and learning to breathe more deeply.


    Oh ... and facing my fears one at a time and finding my inner strength. My dreams gradually became courageous, my life then became courageous ... and now the health problems that were associated with those sleep issues are so much better that sometimes I call myself healed. (I will grow even more healthy than I am now.)


    Yes, doctors sometimes find a solvable medical problem, and if TheGlow is concerned she should check it out. Still, when it comes to sleep, they are often only measuring the consequences of our internal worlds reflected on the physical body. It can give insight, and I love the science of the brain so I did find the process very interesting, but their solutions were ... pretty useless for me at least (and I know I'm just one person, so take that as personal experience and not a recommendation).


    Often science chooses not to understand the spiritual component of this at all, so they tend to dismiss the necessary soul journey and then scorn anyone who who faces or fears the challenges there, thus adding stress (and chemical prescriptions) to an already volatile mix.
     
  18. Deborah

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    Hi TheGlow,


    Each of us is unique. Members on the forum can only offer suggestions; some speak from personal experience. That does not mean their experience is the right answer for you. Only you can decide. Remember that spirituality is a daily walk, what we think today may change based upon a new experience in the future.


    Seeking medical advise is also a wise choice. Eliminating any physical problems cannot hurt. In fact, I would advise it. Not just one opinion but several and from different fields of study.


    If nothing comes of it, then seek spiritual advise from someone who is trained in the field, do a regression with someone like Carol. Do research and look into their background and training.


    I hope this helps. Here is an excellent list of resources for those wishing to do some research:


    Carol Bowman's Past Life Center


    Carol Bowman's Library


    Roger Woolger's site


    Brian Weiss


    Henry Bolduc


    Ian Stevenson


    Dr. Charles Richards


    Helen Wambach Ph.D


    William Buhlman


    Elisabeth Hallett


    ChildSpirit Institute


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    As for the conversation - it's best to state "In my opinion.." or "In my experience...." or "may I suggest..." than to state someones spiritual experiences and or health questions as a matter of fact.
     
  19. TheGlow

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    I do appreciate your protectiveness towards my health. It's great you are willing to advocate for others. :)


    Just to ease your mind a bit. These have happened randomly over the last 25+ years. I have always been extremely health. Actually the only time I have ever been suspected ill was two years ago. I was sick and tired for 7 months. Thought I was dying I was tested for everything from cancer to aids, free medical care provided chests rays, MRIs and abdominal ultrasounds and man they took a lot of blood. I'm freaky healthy.


    No issue with all that was ever found finally two clients who were nurses told me off about working to hard. I had been working on my small business which is very physical 12 hours a day 7 days a week and basically was working myself to death. Slept almost nonstop for a month ate better took lots of vitamins and I fully recovered. Actually that time period is the longest stretch where I had no visitors. Never thought of that. lol


    Anyways I think for now it's safe to put the sleep study on hold and pursue this as either real entities or something my mind is creating. If that doesn't prove fruitful I promise to ask the doctor to investigate, though I am quite sure the psyc-ward would be his first referral. ;)
     
  20. TheGlow

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    Oh and I should ad I have zero sleep paralysis. I jump like my sheets are on fire when I see these things. lol
     

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