Two souls, one body

Just an interesting question based on something that occurred to me when thinking about conjoined twins. A good case in point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_and_Brittany_Hensel

As with cases like the above, you essentially have two souls sharing one body. Now, everyone here has different ideas on what happens to souls before and after reincarnating into this life, but one thing we can generally agree on is the fact that a soul is an individual consciousness that inhabits a body when it becomes incarnate.

That being the case, does anybody have any thoughts on what happens with conjoined twins? Could it be that the two souls agreed to share one body for a given lifetime? If so, what might drive such a decision? Could conjoined twins actually be the oft discussed twin souls choosing to be "together" for a particular lifetime?

In the case of the girls in the link I posted, they share each share one half of the same body and had to learn their respective motor skills co-operatively, which is to say that they absolutely need each other and one cannot exist without the other, In the light of past lives and reincarnation, this is something I find very fascinating; it's the existential equivalent of being handcuffed to another person! (I know it's not quite the same, but it's the nearest comparison I can think of anyway...).

So, in the light of PLs, does anybody have any thoughts or theories as to why something like this might happen, and what it could mean?

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Inphanta said:

So, in the light of PLs, does anybody have any thoughts or theories as to why something like this might happen, and what it could mean?

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Hi Inphanta!
Just to complicate matters, here is a true story from 2006, "She's Her Own Twin", in which a woman's body had two different DNA's. She nearly had her children taken away, because they couldn't determine that she was the true mother. Department of Social Services tested her, found a different sequence, and when she exclaimed there must be some kind of mistake, because she was sure she carried them, they said, "Nope. DNA is 100 percent foolproof and it doesn't lie.". But, later tests found that some people do have the DNA sequence of two different people. What a nightmare!


Well, having two different souls might not seem so far-fetched, after all. We know that some people suffer from multiple-personality syndrome, and some people hear voices in their head. We are finding that what used to be considered forms of psychosis could also be indications of something beyond the scope of traditional Newtonian science.


Why such things occur may remain beyond our ability to explain and understand, given that we are still trying to figure out the purpose of just one soul per body. To further complicate things, you'll find threads in this forum which speculate on two or more bodies with only one soul. But then, what is a soul? Is it fluid like water that can be shared by more than one person? Or is it like a spark from a single source? Does it reside strictly inside the body? Or does it live elsewhere? Is it only a small part of something bigger?

I found a 45 minute video on Google about the twins when they turned 16.


Abigail & Brittany Hensel - The Twins Who Share a Body


DK

This is a truly remarkable story, which stretches the imagination while stirring world interest. They are 20 years old now,and I've heard that Brittany is engaged to be married.

Hi Inphanta,


Just had to jump into this one.


Helen Wambach treats of twins, quads, and quins being separate entities in her book "Life before Life".


I recall a comment by Edgar Cayce about conjoined twins, but for the life of me I can't find the reference. Sorry.


He stated that in some cases of Karma, two personalities who refuse to get along with each other in one or more PL's, are sometimes made to co-operate with each other by literally being inseparable. Once the lesson is learned, they can then incarnate separately in subsequent lives.


Hope this helps your thinking.


Regards


Merlin6

Merlin6 wrote:


He (Edgar Cayce) stated that in some cases of Karma, two personalities who refuse to get along with each other in one or more PL's, are sometimes made to co-operate with each other by literally being inseparable.


This does make a lot of sense, as I remember when I was a young boy, if my friends and I starting fighting, we were given time out and told to hold hands until we became friends again.


Needless to say, no self-respecting boy back then, would even be caught holding hands, much less with another boy, so we tended to get along!


In this respect, it seems appropriate to have conjoined twins in the scheme of things, as in, "If you two don't play right, I'm going to join you together", I can imagine God saying that to two difficult souls that need a lesson on how to get along with others.


One of my favourite sayings is: "Why can't we just get along?" which nowadays with world events being what they are, seems a very, very important slogan now.

Nightrain1 said:

Just to complicate matters, here is a true story from 2006, "She's Her Own Twin", in which a woman's body had two different DNA's. She nearly had her children taken away, because they couldn't determine that she was the true mother. Department of Social Services tested her, found a different sequence, and when she exclaimed there must be some kind of mistake, because she was sure she carried them, they said, "Nope. DNA is 100 percent foolproof and it doesn't lie.". But, later tests found that some people do have the DNA sequence of two different people. What a nightmare!

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Indeed! The full presentation is known as chimerism and is extremely rare. I understand that there is also a more common situation where pluripotent cells from the prenatal child get into the mother's bloodstream and can be found harmlessly distributed around the body, functioning in various organs just like the mother's cells. This can be repeated for more than one pregnancy, resulting in a mother with a little bit of her children integrated as part of her. Sort of romantic in a slightly creepy way...

As a side note, I would like to point out this case of Chimerism as one more example of why we should be more careful of our dependence upon science as the only source of truth. This woman could have lost her children, because "DNA never lies". Yet, science, itself, is often seen correcting itself later on.

Nightrain1 said:

As a side note, I would like to point out this case of Chimerism as one more example of why we should be more careful of our dependence upon science as the only source of truth. This woman could have lost her children, because "DNA never lies". Yet, science, itself, is often seen correcting itself later on.

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The problem here is the usual one - that the science behind the concept is fine, but the application of it (the applied science) is flawed. The practitioners, the forensic analysis companies (and government analysis labs), necessarily use shortcuts that are believed to be 'sufficiently reliable'. They analyse tiny sections of the DNA because they can't analyse it all (too expensive & time-consuming), and in this case, sadly, they, and everyone else involved, appeared to be ignorant of the possibility of chimerism or mosaicism (although, to be fair, it's extremely rare for it to be relevant in this way, so one can understand why it wasn't recognised).


It's an unfortunate fact that 'DNA never lies' (which is all too often parroted by the lawyers, and believed by judge and jury), is a media myth. DNA evidence is frequently (shockingly so) unreliable due to procedural errors and contamination in the lab, and the results are regularly misrepresented or misused by prosecutors because they don't understand the statistics (this has resulted in the Prosecutor's Fallacy becoming even more widespread than prior to DNA evidence).


Because the analysis is limited (looking at tiny portions of DNA), in real life the results are not as simple as saying 'the DNA found at the scene matches the suspect'. Any good DNA lab should return results in terms of the number of people in a given population that would be expected to match the results by chance. Here they must take into account the quality of the analysis, and the number of records in the DNA database i.e. (the percentage of the population that have been sampled), etc. Several studies have shown that different labs given the same DNA samples will give wildly different results for the probability of matches. Then there are all kinds of pitfalls when calculating the statistics, that even experts in DNA testing can fall into. See DNA Testing Problems for some idea.


In practice, the use of DNA analysis in court cases is far less certain and secure than the authorities would have us believe.


I suppose part of the problem is that no one group or individual is sufficiently expert in all the necessary areas of knowledge, and it's too expensive to routinely get all the experts involved in every case, even if there were enough to go round. This results in mistakes and errors, and allows unscrupulous lawyers on both sides to take advantage...


Don't get me started on fingerprint evidence!


The way to improve the situation is to keep questioning the procedures and analysis, keep pressing for more reliable techniques, and keep pressing for better education of the people involved. Education, education, education.

Merlin6 said:

Hi Inphanta,
Just had to jump into this one.


Helen Wambach treats of twins, quads, and quins being separate entities in her book "Life before Life".


I recall a comment by Edgar Cayce about conjoined twins, but for the life of me I can't find the reference. Sorry.


He stated that in some cases of Karma, two personalities who refuse to get along with each other in one or more PL's, are sometimes made to co-operate with each other by literally being inseparable. Once the lesson is learned, they can then incarnate separately in subsequent lives.


Hope this helps your thinking.

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I can see the sense in that.


With regard to the girls, in the documentary, you get the impression that they are very close(!) and they obviously have no choice but to rely on one another for everything they do. Not only that, but their personalities are very different, it's as though they are almost opposites.


And now here they are, in one body, having to co-operate...

Multiples


I was told once that we can have aspects of as many as nine souls within one body. I don't know where that information came from. Has anyone else heard that?

nntrancer said:

I was told once that we can have aspects of as many as nine souls within one body. I don't know where that information came from. Has anyone else heard that?

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conjoined twins makes sense becuase each soul has a brain each to connect to. The main connections the soul makes is with the brain so the bodies being attached to each other wouldnt be a problem with that IMO.


Nine souls in one body? I cant see that as possible. From birth, when we join the fetus, the soul will need time to connect with the brain making its own adjustments. I cant see how more than one soul could share the same body. What if one soul wanted to go left and one wanted to go right?


The only possibility is that an earth bound spirit could attach to a person if they can feed off of their energy. From what I have came across, this makes the individual suffer from anxiety, panic attacks, vomitting, depression and other negative eperiences. With this in mind I see no reason how more than one soul could share the same brain.

Nine souls in one body? I cant see that as possible.

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Ever seen "Being John Malkovich"? Multiple souls in one brain is possible, at least in that movie. :laugh:

First, the girls do read the internet so please be aware these are children and their well being should come first and foremost.


It is not the case of two souls in one body but two souls in two bodies that did not separate completely before birth.


They each take the driver's test, they each pay tuition for school. They are two people, not one. They are amazing to watch.


Kudos to the girls, their parents and their school for taking something that could have been so difficult and making the girls into two amazing women who just happen to share limbs.

Very interesting topic!!!


I actually just made a topic similar to this in another forum but regarding other set of cojoined twin.In the case that i mention, these twins are craneopagus, connected by the skull, and they also share some brain structures. The mother said that they had very different personalities.


I always thought that cojoined twins were a good example of how genes and environment aren' t all in someone' s personality, that there' s also the soul factor coming into terms.


I' m not sure exactly how the soul is connected to the body, if i had to say i would say it' s connected to the brain, more specifically to the hippocampus, but that' s just my hypothesis.