Identical twins, multiple births

Well, yeah, people who lost a twin in this life will feel the loss, it could be because you lived their past life with your twin.

Reincarnation and Twins

Are there any known cases of reincarnation among identical twins? Biologists have been conducting twin studies for decades to identity genetic traits (especially in cases where the twins were separated at birth).

Anyone on the forum a twin?

I'm also thinking about the recent 'Newsweek' article about the fact that geneticists have discovered a gene for spirituality (the C variant of the VMAT-2 gene) that causes a person to have deep spiritual experiences and a tendency to religious belief.

Michal

I have heard of if two souls that are close and want to be born in the same family and no one wants to wait, they can be born as twins.

I don't know if identical twins are special.

My oldest child is a twinless twin. By that I mean the twin did not survive to be born, but chooses to remain close to my daughter. They channel flawlessly, and both are very special to me. I do not know if they had a relationship in a past life. I will have to ask, and I will post here.

Actually there is more of the story I heard.

The family they choose has a great mom, and the mom is the reason they choose that family. However some not so nice but powerful spirits interrupted. So in the end only one was born in that family. But the two girls are in the same class at school and became best friends.

My husband is a identical twin.. Its weird listening to him and his brother talk sometimes....They act like children with their cut ups and laughing....I suspect my miscarriage was of twins, my dr mentioned it but never discussed it...I was just told, with my tiny frame i probably couldnt carry them to full term anyway....I wouldve loved to have twins, they are special in their own way and in many ways...My dear mother in law, told me once while i was pregnant with my first child, that a woman who carries twins is a special lady in that she gets double the love....She doesnt know how right she was.....

reincarnation and twins

I believe that my daughter and her best friend have been twins in past lifetime. They have the same sense of humor which is very offbeat, and really very intelligent but creatively silly. They finish each others sentences and begin conversations at the same time with the same choice of words. They even have their own language of sorts. And the funny thing is that I didn't even know that my daughter had a sense of humor until she became friends with her now best friend!!! Their connection with each other was instantaneous.

I have no idea of their sense of spiriruality, since i don't know them very well, but I've got three sets of twins in my family. My brother's twin daughters recently graduated college and got an appartment together in NYC. They're very close to each other, very similar in personality (at least from what I could see), and I can barely tell them apart. My sister's twins are nearly 40 years old and would still be living together if one didn't take off for graduate school in a different city a few years ago. I can tell them apart, but they too have similar personalities. Then there's my cousins, two men in their early 60s. I visited them separately last summer, after not having seen one of them for several decades, and found that not only do they continue to look very much alike but their personalities too seemed pretty similar.

I've not had any kids, but imagine I too would have twins if I was a parent.

Cheers,
manjusri

A Gene? - so some have it and some don't?

" a gene for spirituality" -- Let's take a huge grain of salt with that so-called fact and its implications.

My hubby and his brother are different in many ways and the same in many ways, if that sounds right.... Their attitudes are totally the same, but the way they dress is different, the woman they marry are opposites of one another. One dresses with tees and jeans, the other is dress shirts and slacks.....One fixes his hair , the other wears a hat....But the scars on their cheeks are on the opposite side of the other, the hair part is on the opposite side of the other, they have a brown spot in the hazel color of their eye again one is the opposite of the other, (one is in the left, the other is in the right)....Its almost like a mirror image.....and they call eachother every day, even if its only 5 mins of talking, they will do it all day long every day.....and if they go a few days without talking, they are lost to death...like they lost the only friend they had in the whole world...

Re: A Gene? - so some have it and some don't?

Originally posted by mertzie
" a gene for spirituality" -- Let's take a huge grain of salt with that so-called fact and its implications.

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It's worth reading the article.

The human genome is like a thousand books, each of a thousand pages, each of a thousand words. Each 'word' contains one specific instruction - be it the colour of your eyes, or your propensity to stay faithful to one partner. Geneticists are uncovering more and more specific genes responsible for specific characteristics of the individual. I'm currently reading 'Genome' by Matt Ridley ("An autobiography of a species in 23 chapters"). Having read Carl Sagan's 'Shadows of our Forgotten Forefathers', I can see that there's a lot that genetics can explain.

But I stick to my assertion - science and religion should be one. Religious people knocking scientific discoveries and scientists knocking religion are but two sides of the same coin.

Michal

pixie......

as a mom of 4 yr old fraternal twin boys I have to agree! It is double the love!!!! My grandmother had 3 sets of twins... boys, girls, and boy/girl!! Every combination! I guess there was a lot of love in that house.....


I've often wondered about their pasts. I don't know if they were together before or more like....I forget who said it now... two souls wanting to get into the same family so they came at once.
My boys are so different looking. A mini me and a mini of my husband which makes me believe they're each coming from our own individual families.

oh well...maybe one day we'll find out.

I also have twin boys who are four. Around 2 1/2 when they were starting to enlarge their vocabularies I would sometimes hear snatches of "strange" conversations...like one would say "where is my microscope?" (Not being introduced to that piece of equipment before.) They also started talking about geometric shapes that they shouldn't have known...like pointing out that my bed frame was made out of parallelograms. I have three older children from a previous marriage and can say that there is something very intimate between my twins. I don't know what their past life connections could be. I went to an empathic counsellor once and she stated a certain relationship that exists between them, but I don't like to fully embrace past lives that are presented to me by others when I don't have any direct memories myself. I did have two special dreams in which I saw myself pregnant with them before I knew I was having twins.

Was I a twin?

All my life I've had this odd feeling. Like part of me isn't there.

When I was younger, I used to pester anyone with the same birthday as me to pretend that we were twins, kinda because I didn't have one. It was like I needed one.

Is it possible I was supposed to be a twin but the other one became a vanishing twin?

And is it possible to meet the person who was supposed to be your twin?

Hi Denomar,

I too have a "twin obsession". When I was little my best friend Kenna and I looked almost exactly alike and we used to dress the same way every single day. People always thought we were twins. When we moved, I lost touch with her, but I never stopped thinking about being a twin. I was always envious of the sets of twins in school and felt that I was missing mine...she should have been standing there next to me. I even had twin dolls as a little girl. In our family there are many sets of twins (and triplets), so I figure it's possible that I could have been one.

I would love to have twin girls one day

Ailish

You could be a twin .....

My oldest used to always say she wished she was a twin ... then we realized she was. Her twin died in utero because I have the RH factor. In my research I have discovered that many actually start as twins, but something happens early in the pregnancy and only one makes it to full term.

She now has a very special relationship with her twin, and both girls are awesome. You can read more about the girls by searching my posts.

In my research I have discovered that many actually start as twins, but something happens early in the pregnancy and only one makes it to full term.

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Do you know if this refers to fraternal twins or identical twins?

I was just thinking about something a psychic told me once. He was sure I had a brother; he kept seeing three kids in the family (there's just me and my sister... though I've always thought it would be really neat to have an older brother). So I guess this theory could be a possible answer, but only if it applies to fraternal twins as well.

Does anyone know?

Lib

I would think it refers to both fraternal and identical twins.

i have felt this way as well. and even experience such a friendship where i was so very close to another, and we looked so much alike, and then i moved away, i still think of her to this day. ironically, my father is a twin, and my mother did have a set of twins 12 years after me. and when i married and we had children well i have twin girls. i often wonder if i was a twin or if i was living with the knowledge that i would have twins someday. it was not a shock to me when i was told we were having twins, it was like oh ok, yes i knew i would.

are any of you left handed?

I also think it's possible that many people start out as twins, and then for some reason one of them doesn't make it, and sometimes no one even knows about it.

I read once that there is an old legend that says that every left handed person is the survivor of a set of mirror-twins, one of whom died in the womb.
Interesting.

Mirror twins are identically opposite. For instance if one has a mole on their right cheek, the other will have it on the same exact spot on the left cheek.

I think mirror twins happen when the embryo splits sooner rather than later (I'm not sure of the exact time... probably days, though, not weeks). It's an interesting theory, but... Why would the right-handed twin always be the one to die? Can right-handed people not be the surviving mirror twin? There are more right-handed people than left-handed people out there. Does that mean that there are both right- and left-handed mirror twins (ie. equal numbers of survivors), and that singles are always right-handed?

It would be interesting to know, though, what those twins who didn't survive would have been. Maybe most of them would have ended up having the same "handedness" as their sibling. Or maybe not?

Lib

I'm left-handed, but have never heard that legend. I'd say in my case it's hereditary, since my father and one half-sister are, too.

i am left handed as well. that is an interesting theory. my dh his twin sister died a few hours after birth.

I have identical twin daughters and I have a "twin" thing, too

I have always had this lonely, "I'm missing someone" feeling, especially as a child. I have also had a huge attraction for twins. As a child/teenager, I was friends with about 8 sets of twins (over the years, not all at once), which I think is quite a few sets--especially because this is during a time when there were very few instances of fertility treatments, etc.

But anyway, when I was seven weeks pregnant during my third pregnancy, my doctor did a routine sonogram and discovered that I was carrying twins. I still remember feeling very "deja vu" about the whole thing--but I was still shocked. I exclaimed, "We don't have any twins in our families!" and my doctor said, "Well, you do now!" I have always pondered how I ended up having twins, when I really never conciously thought about having them. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think I might very well have had a twin, or maybe I just think it would be so cool to have a lifelong "partner" and I thought it to such an extreme that I somehow subconciously influenced the pregnancy? Just a thought. There is a really good book called Having Twins (I forget the author and I'm too lazy to look it up) that really does give credence to that idea.

According to my doctor (and many books I have read, etc.), it is very common for pregnancies to begin as a twin pregnancy and then, for some reason, one twin is "absorbed" into the mother's body. In fact, my doctor gave me a long warning talk on how this might happen, and how if it did, it wouldn't be my fault, etc. I was also on an online BB for twins at this time and several newly pregnant twin mothers had a twin either die or "vanish." We are just more aware of the existance of multiples now that we have early sonograms. Many of us might have begun life as a twin.

Fortunately, my twins both survived and they are now almost six.

Kim

Oh...and either fraternal or ID twins can "vanish"

Although it is more common for ID twins to have problems because they have divided from the same cells and there is more opportunity for things to go wrong. The earlier twins separate, the better. If twins separate very early, then they will have their own placentas, layers of sacs (I forget the tech terms now), etc., just like fraternal twins (who always have their own sacs, placentas, etc., although the placentas often grow together and look like one, so sometimes it's hard to tell if you are carrying fraternal or ID twins). If they separate a little later (we're talking days), then they will share one or more of the membranes that house them and the amniotic fluid. If they separate later, then they will share an amniotic sac, or a placenta, etc., and these conditions are very dangerous and can cause a host of problems (cords becoming entangled, a placenta that doesn't equally distribute nutrients and oxygen, etc). And, you guessed it, if they split VERY late, then you have conjoined twins. I'm not sure how mirrored twins factor into that--or if they do--but the idea of mirrored twins is interesting. My twins are not mirror twins--they have swirls on the same sides of their heads, they are both right handed, etc. Anyway, just a little tutorial on twins for you all. (My doctor had a chart that showed how ID twins separate and what would happen during the time-frame. My twins had their own everything and the only way they even considered that they might be Identical was because one of the membranes was very thin, which the doctor said was uncommon for fraternal twins. Later, we had them DNA marker tested, just to know for certain.

But it is interesting to note, BOTH my husband and his brother are left handed, although no one else in his family is. Hmmmm...

Kim

Hi Denomar,

This answers alot of questions for me..i've always been "convinced" I had a long-lost twin out there somewhere. I grew up always wanting a twin (and I still wish I had one) and always pretended in play that I had a twin sister.

It is comforting to know that there are others out there who share the same twin feeling

I wonder if the spiritual essence of an absorbed twin also goes to the survivor. In other words, would two spirits be sharing one body?

I had a twin obsession that had nothing to do with an actual twin. It ended up being a yearning for Nino, who I feel was like a twin entity (soul): we were once the same entity, which divided into new ones. I feel this strongly because the yearning vanished the year he was born, when I turned thirteen.

Sandra

chimeras and twins

chimeras and twins

People with two types of DNA are called chimeras after a mythical creature with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail (individuals are also called mosaics). These people have two different sets of DNA in different parts of the body.

How does someone become a chimera? There are a number of ways this can happen:

First, it is possible to become a chimera if developing fraternal twin embryos fuse together to become one embryo. (Think of this is as the reverse of identical twins where a single embryo splits into two.) This happens very early on when the embryos are just unspecialized cells, so a healthy baby can still be made. Fraternal twins do not have the same DNA, so a mixture of two embryos will give a chimera.

Second, chimeras can arise when developing fraternal twins share a blood supply. This happens when the twins (who have different DNA) share a placenta and cells from their blood mix. The twins will be chimeras only in terms of their blood since other cells in the body are not affected by the blood supply.

Third, sometimes chimeras can happen through an error in the way cells divide in the developing embryo. (These people are technically called mosaics but the concept is similar.) Cells split into two to make more of themselves – something embryos need to do a lot of to grow into a baby. For this, cells need to double their DNA and divide it between the two new halves. Sometimes this goes wrong and some new cells end up with different DNA. If this happens early on, the tissues that come from these cells end up with a different genotype.

How common are chimeras? We don’t really know. We generally only find out about chimeras when their DNA is analyzed. It sure makes crime solving difficult, but it can also complicate finding organ donors.

Ive heard about people having to have "tumors" removed and it turned out to be baby teeth or bones from an absorbed twin, im not sure of its veracity, but after reading the above article i suppose it sounds possible
Brevity

Denomar said:

All my life I've had this odd feeling. Like part of me isn't there.

When I was younger, I used to pester anyone with the same birthday as me to pretend that we were twins, kinda because I didn't have one. It was like I needed one.

Is it possible I was supposed to be a twin but the other one became a vanishing twin?

And is it possible to meet the person who was supposed to be your twin?

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Very interesting... are you left handed? lofl... someone told me that 1 out of 8 left handed people had a twin early on that died... oh.. have you ever met someone who could actually seem like a twin? not just had them pretend.. .but really get that feeling? it could be possible to meet your twin... actually, very likely... you might even know them now! or you might find them... i htink you would know it when you meet them... Good Luck!