Discussion in 'SCIENTIFIC and ANECDOTAL research' started by ChrisR, Dec 30, 2012.
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This collection is in the book section too. But if you see one you're interested in but are not sure if you'll like it, or if it's what you are looking for; this is the place to ask. Most people who have been here a while have read them and can give you their two cents.
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Doe anyone recommend any of these? Have thoughts about the authors premise?
Something I noticed...the new movie PROOF seems to be a take off of the first book listed. Evidence of the AfterLife.
My point was, the books in this section are based on science, some of what they are discovering relates to what we - you - us as people - are experiencing. It gives us a form of validation, not to mention another great POV. For me, there is nothing like the feeling of WOW, the scientific finding, experiment, research matches what I saw, felt and experienced!
John, I think that you're right; we all have to have some sort of experience or finding that gives us validation, connection and reassurance.
The issue though is that, to me, is one half of reincarnation. I agree that it is highly personal and I myself don't get much out of reading stories of other's, even though I have done so occasional.
The books in this section are supposed to have a foot or two in science. That I do read deeply because I feel that there is a lot in science that does explain what we experience personally. Quantum and extra dimensional physics in particular provides a lot of interesting reading for me.
In that way, I feel that it grounds what I have experienced personally. Other people though, like my wife, get the same experience from reading other's experiences.
So I suppose we're all different in that regard.
The case-studies of 'Dr. Ian Stevenson' and 'Dr. Jim Tucker' are very scientifically-based.
LINK contains books by both Stevenson and Tucker: http://www.amazon.com/Twenty-Cases-Suggestive-Reincarnation-Enlarged/dp/0813908728/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438552312&sr=1-2
My favorite book in the bunch - from 1988 is The Holographic Universe. Sounds complicated, but it's an easy read, and fascinating. Oh and The Biology of Belief by Lipton. He's funny. A great read.
I think The Biology of Belief by Lipton would be the best. ticonthumbshumbsup
I've been enjoying the book The Universe In A Single Atom: How science and spirituality can serve our world by His Holiness The Dalai Lama
I'm half way through ready "Biology Of Belief"... This is the first book I have ever read about any of this.. I'm finding it interesting.. Something reading this book is doing for me is giving me a greater understanding why you do it. You are looking for answers in the physical.. You have no real answers of your own so you read and research as much as you can for answers. You put together a jig saw of information and knowledge from all of these people and sources in the physical and form your own beliefs and opinions . Unfortunately you are spiritually immature because you have not discovered the pure spiritual you. From reading posts on this forum I believe deep down you understand that the spiritual entity you are, the pure spiritual you does exist. Yet you still believe you have lived all of these previous lives, when it was the spiritual you who occupied these physical entities, who died never to return. There is only one of you... the pure spiritual you, not countless past physical entities you occupied. I search for answers in the spiritual. You search for answers in the physical, which I believe there are no real answers to be had.. That is what reading this book is giving me understanding of
Who are you referring to when you say "you"......a115.gif
I was not referring to anyone in particular. The spiritual me, not my source guides me in these things. When I read my post again after you asked "who I was referring to" I understand you may take it I was talking to you, but I wasn't. This is where the spiritual me is very good. He guides me to say and word things that applies to those who read and hear them. If what I said applies to you or anyone else then deep down you and they will know it, so by saying "you" that is the result.
I wasn't taking it personally. My journey has been one filled with spiritual experiences that I have looked for explanations for, through ancient texts, scientific journals, and books like Carol's. Soul moments I like to call them. Thank you for your explanation.
I am responding to your critique of looking to books and authors for wisdom. I think you are taking a very shallow approach, but that is only because you are only seeing half of the process. Yes, the approach you criticize does involve looking at the experiences and ideas of others as recorded in physical media, but to say that is all it is would be (IMO) a gross oversimplification in terms of most of the people on this board.
When I read or study the ideas of others, I am always reviewing them at more than one level. Obviously, one level is outer and involves the intellect and emotional response. However, I am simultaneously looking for something else that does not involve the outer perception (or even the intellect), but my inner perception of the material—and therefore depends on contact with and response from the most inner (or higher parts) of myself. It is a “resonance” or sense of congruity with my innermost spirit—which I assume to be identical with the type of “higher self” you call by other names.
I know that this also works with you, because from time to time something someone relays to you “resonates” with your innermost self, and you let it be known that the insight articulated received some type of stamp of approval at that level (though, once again, you may use different terminology).
High Sea and Sky
I agree with everything you said, that is what I assumed did happen in a lot of cases... The point I was trying to make was. My pure/spiritual self or higher self whatever you want to call who we really are comes up with original ideas and philosophies on a whole range of subjects that challenge some if not a lot of what has been handed down over the centuries and what is currently believed, some of which I have posted on this forum. Wether that means I'm delusional or truly in contact with my pure spiritual self is not for me to judge. I know and understand what is going on with me. To solely read and research for answers then to ask your pure self if he agrees with something or not is in my opinion not the way to go. In my opinion if you were in proper contact with your pure/spiritual self he would challenge you to with his help find out the real truth. That is the difference I'm talking about
I think the difference is really one of emphasis, and maybe the immediacy of contact with the inner voice or self. It seems to me that, either way, a person is almost always going to end up with a two step process.
For example, you are getting lots of messages from what you consider to be your true self that you cannot understand. To try and understand these messages, you are benefited sometimes by seeking external knowledge. E.g., you have done so with regard to some of the symbols you have seen and the word/name you heard in meditation, and have received what you considered to be valuable information regarding ancient Egyptian beliefs in response to your inquiries (mostly from Blueheart) on your "Receiving Information from a Source" thread. Blueheart, like me, answered you based on knowledge gained from books and/or the internet. So, you are also finding the two-step process helpful at times.
One difference might be that you are starting with the inner revelation and then seeking help from time-to-time in outer sources in terms of understanding the revelation. It could be argued that others are approaching the matter from the other direction (and from your perspective--backwards) by seeking insights in books, etc. and then relying on an internal witness or resonance to verify what is correct, etc. This also means that they are, so to speak, keeping themselves more "distant" from the true source of information/revelation (at least from your perspective).
From my standpoint, I think that different people will inevitably be different in their approach. I also think that you have to take into account the "urging" of the inner self that directs people towards certain reading. So, we're not just reading at random and depending on our inner voice to highlight the good spots. I think our inner guide is active in guiding us towards certain reading and then highlighting the best out of it.
I could say more, but that's enough for now.
Hi Sea and Sky
Again I agree with most of what you said, but it is far more complex than that for me. This thread is about books that are scientifically based.
What about the bible? is that a more accurate account of what is going on?
That is an analogy of what is going on between me and my pure self
Its interesting, some things I have been guided to have been verified by a book... The bible, and I don't even believe in god
That god created us in his image both spiritually and physical. He moulded the physical body from dirt than breathed the spirit of life (the spirit of man) into it and gave us life. This is symbolic that the spirit of man is the spirit of god.. They are one and the same
That the spiritual us does have gender... There are no illusions about that in the bible
I have been told heaven and hell are other physical dimensions. That is backed up by mathematical physics . We are aware of only four physical dimensions... length, width, height and time.. But physical mathematics suggests there are up to 26 physical dimensions
So yes I do go to other sources for verifications . But when I read some of the quotes from many (almost all) scientific sources they are terrifyingly wrong.. I use the words terrifyingly wrong because that is the reaction from the pure spiritual me, and that is what this thread is all about... Books that are scientifically based
You make a good point about the kind of books, but we're not talking about a group of random science books on this thread. Though the books being represented on this thread are, I suppose, scientific--they are also pre-selected for being somewhat in tune with the spiritual beliefs and ideas of the board. I doubt you'll find many hardcore totally materialist debunkers in the lot. So, I believe the books represented are not just "Scientific" in approach, they are also have a certain bias or at least openness to things. So, the spirit/soul suffocating nature of these books should be fairly minimal.
OTOH, there are the opposite. Hard, scientific materialism extolling and spirit crushing books. For the most part, I find them useful for strict physical facts and ideas (I was a physics major once upon a time). I don't look to them for any light on spiritual matters. And, as you note, something like the Bible may be a far more productive field of study for understanding what your sources have to say. (I say this without any idea of limiting your understanding of the symbology and ideas being represented therein).
Rather than just using these books to validate your experiences, wouldn't it be better to use them as guides for establishing accurate evidence?
The biology of belief
Good book. The jist of it is that we create our reailty based on our beliefs.
Reality is whatever we make it, so 'truth' will always be what we have already chosen to believe.
You are living truth now. The quest for answers causes the future to unfold, so keep searching!
Have you studied Blavatsky or the Law of One material?
What's important are the scientific principles and methods that materialistic science offers, and not so much the scientific theories. Each author will obviously reflect his or her own personal beliefs, so by just being aware of that you can still gain a lot from reading as many different books as possible and not get caught up thinking that any one person is going to e right about everything.
Great book references
I just caught this Anthony. Yes, I do that too, and I’m glad you brought it up.
It's difficult, for me, to say if it's better to read to get guidance, or it's better to read to validate your experiences. It depends ...
Guidance seeds beliefs. Beliefs create reality.
On the other hand, you might have no experience to validate if you don't firstly get some ideas.
In my case, I started by asking myself some important questions. To find answers, I looked for books that might provide them. So, I got exposed to ideas I've never heard of before. My new interests and knowledge began to yield experiences that widened my quest for knowledge. In time, I started to feel that new sources of information began to pop up at the right moment when I needed them.
Then there came a moment when I realized that beliefs can not only limit development, but actually stimulate subjective confirmation of themselves, masking reality, so I had to make the effort to have experiences while putting aside all expectations, and minimize interpretations.
Can I share a new book about reincarnation here? This book contains a lot of intermission experiences.
100 Reincarnation Cases In Pingyang: Extraordinary True Stories of Kam People Who Recall Past Lives
Dr. Ian Stevenson and Tucker have some pretty amazing case studies. Their research goes back decades. The information they have gathered is very scientific. There's a specific department in the university of Virginia where they work where you can read about it and also they have published books on the subject. Some of their research is against the rules of this forum.
Here's a link with some info. I find their research absolutely fascinating
How strange. There are more women turning into men, than vice-versa. In this way, there will be in the end no women left, all will be men.
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