Boy Believes He Lived Before

Discussion in 'Children's Past Lives -Age 7 & under' started by Midnight.Sapphires, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. vicky

    vicky Senior Member

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    David,

    I REALLY like the letter. Jim Tucker visits this forum occasionally so you just may hear from him.

    I'd like to propose that perhaps Cameron died some other way but when he died he felt like he was falling down a hole much like people that say they went through a tunnel to some white light. I didn't see the program so I can't tell if this is a possibility or not, just a thought.

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  2. tiltjlp

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    Nice idea David. I would imagine that researchers such as Dr. Tucker don't get that much feed back and encouragement. Letting him know that his work is appreciated can only help keep him going.

    John
     
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    The Boy Who Lived Before

    If I'm real lucky, mine may be the only email he has received on the subject of the programme...in which case, I'll probably receive a reply from him. If I'm unlucky, mine may be one of thousands he receives and it'll be ignored. But I do appreciate what he did, flying all the way over from Virginia to Scotland to interview Cameron and then going all the way to Barra with him. That shows an awful lot of dedication to his invaluable research on the subject.

    I think that we here living as we do in our physical world, still have so little understanding of time as it works on the level of the spirit world. That is why it's so difficult for us to understand how Cameron could have been gone for years in between his death and rebirth and yet for him, the time period was an instant.
     
  4. MoonDansyr

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    I am *so* glad you sent the email. I will keep my fingers crossed in hopes that you hear a response soon!

    There's the possibility that Cameron's "Barra mum" has reincarnated into his current life, but with neither of them having the realization, as she may not have any memories of her own past life.

    There are so many possibilities.

    As for the falling down the hole, vicky, you may be quite right. From that one curious dream I had (of floating along in darkness), I can see that as being one perception of what I saw.

    The most important thing is that Cameron has shown improvement since visiting Barra. It's hard for us because we want the details and concrete evidence, but what is important is Cameron's well being. If he doesn't "need" to know anymore, this may be all we get.
     
  5. DavidW

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    Thanks for keeping your fingers crossed, Moondansyr, I don't think there's any need for any researcher to bother Cameron any more about all this. He's related enough for research to continue without him by searching through the records, ect. Best to let the little lad alone now to get on with his childhood. It must have been very traumatic for him, not to mention confusing, to be taken back to his former home only to find that his "Barra mum" wasn't there, nor any other member of his former family for that matter. This was the effect we saw in the film. He must have felt an overwhelming sense of loss and indescribable sadness. My heart goes out to him. He was and is, a very brave little boy.
     
  6. Bruce

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    Hi David,

    You said:

    "I hope you will keep people updated with your research into this truly remarkable case, which is the most convincing case I’ve yet seen regarding evidence of reincarnation."

    I agree that it's a really intriguing case. But do you think that it's more convincing than the Leinininger case discussed on this forum?
    http://www.ial.goldthread.com/indigoresponse.html
     
  7. Indian

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    Interesting case :thumbsup:
    I found an article on channel five's website;

    There is another program in their series on extraordinary people that may be interesting, considering another thread on this board..I'll put the link there.
     
  8. DavidW

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    Hi, Bruce, I just got through reading your link to James' story and his case is just as convincing as Cameron's. However, perhaps due to their religious beliefs and upbringing, James' parents seem at a loss to understand just what is going on in their son's case. They seem unable to accept the idea that James Huston's soul and their son's soul may well be one and the same, preferring instead to believe that their son's spirit is being influenced by the spirit of the long departed airman. I can more readily accept the former because I have no religious beliefs as such...that is to say I'm not one for going to church and singing hymns and praying and the like...and I could be described as more of a spiritual person than a religious one. Therefore, my mind is more open to the idea of reincarnation than perhaps theirs seems to have been. But I have little doubt that if they were ever to discover that downed fighter plane on the seabed, that the cockpit canopy would be found to be jammed shut, just as James remembers. I don't think that there's any more need to look for further evidence in this case. For it appears to have been proved.

    And thanks for posting that link, to the Channel 5 review and photo, Indian. I'm much obliged.

    As for myself, well, when it comes my time to leave this world, I’m refusing to come back again. I’ve had more than enough this time around, thank you. What with all the childhood illnesses and sickness and toothache and painful unrequited love, ect, ect. No, this will be my last time here on this plane. I’m not going through all that again. No way! A pity that I couldn’t have had a son, though. It was something I always wanted. To hear a little boy say to me “I love you, daddy.” However, it takes two to tango and no girl or woman has ever been remotely interested in me. So, through no fault of mine, my so far sixty years on this earth have been one hell of a total waste of time. So why would I want to come back for more of the same? Why would anybody want to come back if they had a choice in the matter?
     
  9. Carol

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    I can't help but wonder if any of the adults confirmed to Cameron that he may have been remembering another lifetime. I've found it very helpful in some cases to explain that indeed the child is remembering when they were here before, but that they are in a new life now, and the ones they remember are okay.

    Since young children who have these memories usually can't distinguish between the past and present lives, the clarification helps. It sounds as if Cameron went through that "gap" when he saw the house and realized that his family was no longer there. It may have been helpful if one of the adults assured him that just as he is back in a different body, his father and loved ones probably are too. And that he now has a new life, etc., etc.

    I know I've said this often before, but I think it may have been helpful in this situation too--after Cameron appeared to make that leap in understanding himself. It just seems that it would help clear up any confusion he has between past and present.

    That's just my opinion. I wasn't there.
     
  10. DavidW

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    I can't help but think, though, Carol, that it was a cruel trick for God, or fate, or whatever, to play on little Cameron. He was so happy to be at last going back to Barra and was excited at the thought of his present mum and his Barra mum meeting up, so he could show off his Barra mum to his present mum. Then...disaster! He finally gets back home only to find, to his ultimate horror, that his Barra mum isn't there to welcome him home. She's gone and not only that, but he realises later that she's actually been gone for years and years. How can anyone, least of all a little boy, get their head around something like that? No wonder he reacted as he did. It was terrible to watch. At first, he didn't understand that he'd actually been away for so long. To him, it must have seemed only a couple of years ago that he was living with his "Barra mum".
     
  11. Michaela

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    David

    I have just read one of your previous posts. I watched the programme, too, and I was very moved by it.

    But I am posting because your post sounded so terribly sad. You write you don't want to live again. I feel exactly the same as you. I have had my fair share of difficulties, losses and illness in this lifetime and I feel tired, I don't want a repeat performance either.

    My greatest fear is that I could come back into a time where some kind of disaster struck the earth and there is another ice age and I thought how horrible it would be not to have the colour and abundance of life we have now. But then a thought struck me: Maybe in that lifetime I could be a scientist working towards finding a solution to save people, animals and plants and I would be an optimist and not fearful.

    Now I don't feel quite so tired and scared. Maybe things will work out OK for us in the end even if we can't see it yet.

    Please have hope.

    Sorry to have gone a bit off topic.

    Michaela
     
  12. DavidW

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    Well, Michaela, hope is something that left me a long time ago...in fact, I only barely remember it. But let us both hope that when the time comes, we are at least given a choice as to whether or not we return here. It all seems such an unfair system to me.

    And maybe, when he's a lot older and he's ready for it, Cameron will agree to go undergo hypnotic regression theapy in order for more details about his life on Barra to emerge, if, that is, researchers such as Dr Tucker think it would help.
     
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    A very good observation Carol. From reading both of your books, it's obvious to me that Cameron's memories might well have lead to both closure and healing. Like you, not having seen the program, or knowing more about the situation, it's not proper to make a judgment. I do wonder if sometimes these situations aren't handled as "case studies" rather than someone's life.

    If cases such as these are met with compassion and understanding by the researcher and the family, a lot of good can come from them. It is through such memories, and the support of the families involved, that healing can occur. With that comes closure, understanding, and spiritual and personal growth. That is what makes reincarnation not only logical to me, but even inviting. I feel I’ve made great strides in my 60 years, and look forward to an opportunity to continue my journey. Not that I want this part of the journey to end quite yet.

    John
     
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    Well said, John. It is very important to treat these children as souls who can are capable of comprehending the transition from one life to another--at the appropriate moment, with appropriate guidance. That's what I'm hoping happened with Cameron.
     
  15. vicky

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    I just wanted to say that Carol's opinion about sharing with the child the details regarding reincarnation is what turned things around for my son. I received that advice when my son started talking about his most recent lifetime. (the advice to tell him about reincarnation)

    When I told him, it was like a huge weight had been lifted off of him. His face got really bright and he said 'so then Mommy. that means that I would always get to see you again.' We really had a more than usual amount of trouble with separation anxiety (we now know) due to his past life mother dying and him not bein able to say goodbye. All of that separation anxiety ended with that conversation.

    It also directly helped him to remember the in-between life state which was very helpful in his ability to move on.

    He had been so confused, like Cameron, about how he got here and how we got him from his last family.
     
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    You know, it sure would be nice if we could invite Cameron's mom to this site. I'm certain she would love to know she's not alone.
     
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    I would love to see this programme I hope they air it on new zealand television. It is these stories like Camerons that I find offer so much validation and could really help to strengthen the evidence for reincarnation for alot of people.
    Thank you for posting about the programme here.

    Kind Regards
    Kay
     
  18. vicky

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    I agree Carribean Queen. It is hard to doubt what these children say so emphatically.

    Vicky
     
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    Reply received regarding my email to Dr Jim Tucker

    I just thought I'd update you all about the email I sent to Dr Jim Tucker two weeks ago. I have just received the following reply from him and I am so pleased to hear from him:

    "Dear David,

    Thanks for your interest in this work. In response to your question about where Cameron was in the intervening years between lifetimes, about 20% of our subjects talk about experiences between lives. Some talk about staying near where they lived or died, while others talk about going to other realms. I discuss these reports in Chapter 8 of my book, Life Before Life.

    Best regards,
    Jim B. Tucker, M.D.
    Division of Perceptual Studies
    Department of Psychiatric Medicine
    University of Virginia Health System
    PO Box 800152
    Charlottesville, VA 22908-0152"
     
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    Thanks for the update David. Although I'm not sure that was much of an answer, huh?
     
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    Well, Moondansyr, he's probably very busy, but I just emailed him back with the following, which he should appreciate:

    Thursday, October 5th, 2006.

    Dear Dr Tucker,
    Many thanks indeed for your kind reply. It is much appreciated. Many thanks also for helping little Cameron Macauley the way you did. To fly all the way over to Glasgow from Virginia to interview Cameron and then go all the way to Barra with him shows great dedication to your research and you deserve to be successful with it. I hope you will keep us informed of any developments regarding your research into Cameron's previous life on the Reincarnation Forum, of which I believe you are a member. I myself have no memory of having lived a life previous to this one, but that only proves that I can't remember one, not that I never had one and, if I ever did have any such memories when I was a small child, they have, now I am nearly sixty years of age, long since faded away. I'm pleased you managed to get to Cameron before his memories faded also. Best Wishes from David.
     
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    Yes, I'm sure you are right about him being busy.

    Your response to him was very nice. It would be nice to have him visit, but also, like I said before, I would very much welcome Cameron's mother here - - I'm sure she'd like to know she is far form alone.
     
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    Well, I don't know Norma Macauley's address in Clydebank, Glasgow. Maybe Jere does, as he seems live in her area. But even so, the Macauley family may not be on the Internet yet. You'd be surprised at how many people, even in this day and age, are not computer literate enough to have a computer or be on the Internet.
     
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    Hi Everyone,

    Several posts were removed from this thread today. This is the Children’s Section – a reminder to everyone to please keep all topics of discussion focused on Children’s Past Lives.

    Thank you for your understanding,

    Ailish
     
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    Another lifetime makes sense...

    This is a great case, and it certainly bolsters the argument for reincarnation. For a young child to know about this obscure place, and a family and home with whom he has had no affiliation in this life time makes any other observation far less credible than simply accpeting that people do reincarnate.

    The missing details about his father and his death could easily be from another intervening lifetime, especially if he was killed young enough not to have many memories of people or events that time. Most credible reports place adjacent lifetimes 4 to 20 years apart, not 40 to 60. What seems likely is that somewhere between he lived a very short life that ended with him and his father being killed in an autombile accident. Keep in mind that the idea of "looking both ways before crossing" applies just as much to a driver at an interesction as it does to a pedestrian.

    Also, in my personal experience, earlier lifetimes don't always seem more distant, and there are still a few details of the past that I cannot assign, with certainty, to my previous life as opposed to the one before that.

    It's hard to imagine how he felt upon seeing that house, but perhaps I will feel it myself if ever I can get back to that while L-Shaped wooden-frame house just outside of Winnipeg; I remember it so well.

    ...Rod
     
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    I agree. I often have trouble remembering some of my most recent lifetimes while having much greater depth of memory of lifetimes taking place 100s or even 1000s of years ago. The lives we recall and the amount we recall from each life probably is a reflection of how important that lifetime was to us overall. My more recent lives I died young so there's less to remember and they made less of an impact overall aside from the death.
     
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    Here is a reminder to any UK members with Freeview, that the documentary discussed in this thread is repeated on Channel 36 (Five Life), tonight at 10pm (Monday 11th December)

    Chris
     
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    Cameron and the reincarnation hypothesis

    Hi DavidW,

    Yesterday, I finally saw the Channel 5 production on Cameron Lamb alias Macauley (or Macaulay?) as he is called in the documentary, after a reseacher kindly sent me a DVD of it.

    I agree that the case is paranormal, i.e. that it contains elements which simply cannot be explained away as coincidence.

    The most mysterious part of the case is that Cameron implicitly claims to have been a member of the Robertsons, whereas Gillian claims that no member of her family died while they were staying in Barra.

    I don't think this case serves as good educational material about children with memories of previous lives, as a layman could easily get the impression that past life memories are simply a special, bizarre kind of clairvoyance. Meaning that Cameron may give one the impression of having tuned in to a completely arbitrary family on a completely arbitrary island and simply made up an emotional story about it that contained several major errors.
    I personally believe that the reincarnation hypothesis for typical cases of the reincarnation type with paranormal information can be falsified by cases in which a child 'recalls' a life that is still going on while he talks about his 'memories'. But this case is not an example of such a hypothetical case. Cameron's case may be explained by memories of a previous life outside the Robertson family, or else by faulty (or even repressed) memories on the part of Gillian, and even by a third possibility. Suppose that Cameron was not recalling a previous physical life, but an intermediate state as a discarnate spirit that dwelled in the white house. I just read that this is what Dr. Tucker also considers a real possibility in this case.

    In that case Cameron may have become attached to the Robertsons. His memories of the car accident could relate to a previous life in the flesh. Just speculating, but the important part is that this case does not pose a threat to the reincarnation hypothesis for paranormal CORTs. It would have, if he had mentioned the name of a Robertson who was still alive and if Cameron had showed remarkable personality traits of that particular Robertson. In other words, we may be quite relieved.


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    Titus,
    You made some good points. Since I still haven't seen the full video, I can't comment on what happened, or what was conclusive or inconclusive about the case.

    It's so difficult to find verifiable cases in Western children (outside the same family) like the ones that Dr. Stevenson found in Asia. I'm still hopeful that more of these cases will emerge which might open Western minds to the possibility of reincarnation.

    Unfortunately, it sounds as if the Cameron cases raises more questions than it answers. I look forward to any articles Jim Tucker might write about this case and his investigation of it.

    And, as you pointed out, there have to be other paranormal explanations for how this child knew of this family and this island.
     
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    Thanks for your reaction, Carol.

    I also look forward to anything Dr. Tucker might write about the case.

    The Channel 5-program includes an account of the way Cameron came to his present mommy, namely that he fell through a hole. This seems to be compatible both with memories of a physical death and with memories of a transition from a discarnate state to reincarnation.

    The James Leininger case seems to me to be a better example of a solved Western case. Another example of a particularly strong (fully) solved case in the West is that of Helmut Kraus, in Stevenson's European Cases of the Reincarnation Type.


    Warm regards,

    Titus
     

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