Does the location of your death influence your next reincarnation?

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  1. TheSeeker

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    Hello.
    -If a tourist dies in a foreign country, e.g. China, does this have any kind of influence and/or increase in the probability for that person's soul to reincarnate within China in their future/next reincarnation?

    -Would immigration/living in another country and then eventually dying within that country influence and/or increase the probability to reincarnate in that country in one's next life?

    Any clues, hints, and insight would be useful for me, thank you for any responses.
     
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  2. baro-san

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    Short answer / opinion: no influence.
     
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  3. Mere Dreamer

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    As far as I can tell from my own memories there is no connection. Spirit knows the whole world once it moves beyond the veil. Some souls do focus on place when it comes to reincarnation. Others don't.

    There are many views on why this is so, but I doubt anyone on this side of the veil can choose a single reason they've encountered and be right for everyone else. Just like there is a variety of approaches to life and many goals on earth, there is an significant amount of variety in approach and groups of philosophy "outside of time", too.
     
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  4. Eowyn

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    Totally agree with Mere Dreamer. Probably it just depends on yourself.
     
  5. AlexD

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    Nope. I was born in Romania, died in Romania, reincarnated in Italy. Never been to Italy before.
     
  6. Cassie

    Cassie Kemetic-Shintoic Pagan

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    I thirdly/fourthly agree with that.
    No link whatsoever.

    I went from the Asian mountains, to Egypt, to a different world entirely.. and finally back to the the UK.
    Who knows where it'll be next!

    My family from the last previous life were from many different places, who knows where they are now.
     
  7. soulcat

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    I believe it does. Ian Stevenson documented a case of a Japanese soldier who died fighting in Burma and reincarnated as a Burmese girl.
    The girl experienced extreme gender dysphoria and an innate longing to return to Japan to see his or her family and craved Japanese food.
    Also, the case James Leininger, who was a U.S. fighter pilot shot down by the Japanese in the pacific recalled "choosing" his parents while seeing
    them on their honeymoon in Hawaii and even described their hotel in detail. Hawaii may not be precisely where he died but it is located in the pacific.

    Of course these cases aren't concrete proof that we are reborn in a vicinity where we died. I myself don't believe I lived in the country I was born in my
    previous life but these cases support the notion that location of death may indeed play a role in rebirth location.
     
  8. autumnleavesnnovember

    autumnleavesnnovember Senior Member

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    Interesting question.

    Soulcat, but did the killed Japanese soldier look down on the Bermese? Individuals may come back as one of those they were prejudice against.

    I never considered the connection between where James Leininger died in his previous life and where he saw his possible parents. Good observation. Of course that gets into all the mechanics that are involved in being reborn, that no one really knows, even if they claim to know. Could James Leininger's soul have been hanging around the Pacific Ocean area? Was it his choice and his choice alone to be reborn and to pick his new parents? What if other souls also saw them as possible parents? Does a queue form?
     
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  9. glia21

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    Hey. In my case I remember I felt drawn to certain people already born in Austria. Until today, I really don´t feel any other connection to this country, I rather feel like a stranger. It was my dad and my best friend (though our relationship is complicated...) why I came here. For me my dad always was my little brother - that too was a complicated feeling. I can´t tell much about the circumstances but I remember a hut/small wooden house and us two and that I left as a young man to go to war for adventure and left my little brother who was so very sad about it. Must have been around the year 1800? I don´t know.

    Today I feel very much drawn to Navy Pier Chicago and Lincoln Park, to the early 20ies and 30ies ... :rolleyes: but that´s a different story.

    Altogether - I believe it depends on the person, the set of experiences one has, the awareness factor after death, the help one gets and so on..
     
  10. soulcat

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    Hi Autumn,

    I can only assume the soldier looked down on the Burmese in the sense that they were enemies in war. So that doesn't necessarily imply inherent prejudice.

    The location of rebirth in the Leininger case immediately caught my attention. If he desired to be an American again, Hawaii would be the nearest piece of American soil near his location death with the exception of perhaps, Guam. It is also interesting that his parents were only there on honeymoon, so he was able to return to mainland U.S.

     
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    I don't think the place of death has anything to do with where the soul is reborn. In my last life, born in Ohio, US, died in Germany during WWII and in this life, born in NJ, US.
     
  12. autumnleavesnnovember

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    Glia21, when I was in my 20s and started reading about reincarnation, I was drawn to the idea of having lived in Austria. There was a poster of Austria in a local store that I got that showed a house in the snow at dusk, with lights shining in the window, which filled me with both longing and melancholia. It's been a while since I thought about that. I don't know what I did with the poster.

    Soulcat, I much prefer the idea that souls may decide all alone which parents they want, as opposed to souls returning to their soul groups and guides after death, where their next lifetime is meticulously planned out, etc.,etc.,etc. I believe Edgar Cayce said in one of his books, too, that many of those killed during WWII were having a hard time adjusting to their next lifetime, because they got reborn as fast as they could to return to Earth; they didn't give the matter as much thought as they should have. That would mean it was strictly their decision where to be reborn and to whom.
     
  13. soulcat

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    Autumn, I've heard arguments and cases for both scenarios, one being soul groups of course and the other one deciding their parents.
    As wonderful as my family is to me, if I came back to completely different people/souls as long as they are good people. I know that may
    come off as cold but if we can't remember our loved ones then it may not matter. Actually, I'm from the U.S. and live in Japan and South Korea
    before this. I've believed in reincarnation since my first conscious memory. I remember being about 3 years old and thinking (if I don't like
    this life I can choose next time) I'm sure I didn't even know the word reincarnation but I knew the concept.
    When I was 29 I felt a NEED to be in East Asia (particularly Japan but Korea was more "within reach" at the time) and this need wasn't born,
    no pun intended out of any particular interest such as TV shows, food (though I love it here), pop culture, etc. I just KNEW I had to be in Japan.
    I got my Masters degree here and I teach English at University. I can't count how many times people tell me "my god you are just like a Japanese
    in a westerner's body!" and I also get told that my eyes themselves are very Asian (not size) but color and something about them when you gaze into
    them. After all, it is often said eyes are the windows to the soul.

    I brought up the case of the Japanese soldier because I relate to it. I really feel out of place back home and something drew me here. I also feel
    gender dysphoria but that's a different matter. However, I'm heterosexual in my current incarnation. This thread really caught my attention because
    I want to "get it right" next time around. I often feel really confused about my place in the world and life purpose and outside of forums like these people
    who don't understand reincarnation just think I'm crazy, however, my mother is open-minded and read several books I recommended and even though she's Christian, she said she now believes in reincarnation. Sometimes I feel like my current life is just a bridge to learn something if that makes any sense.

    I REALLY need to have a past life regression done at some point, it may heal some of the confusion I feel in this life. I know Carol Bowman is from
    my homestate. I feel if I have it done, I should get it done by one of the best. Sorry I kind of went off on a tangent....

     
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    No need to apologize about anything, soulcat. Your comments are intriguing, but I'm a bit confused as to where you are now. Where are you? :)

    Okay, you were born in the United States. Why? (Let's assume here it was your decision alone as to where you would be reborn.) Why did you choose the United States? Think about it. I don't think you need past life regression to figure it out.

    What is it you think is wrong in your current lifetime that you are saying you want "to get it right next time around"? When individuals don't feel they exactly belong where they were born, or belong to their birth family, it's not unusual to see their lifetime as a "bridge" or a "holding station," or something that isn't as real as it should be. Another way of seeing that is feeling one is in exile for some reason or another? Have you ever thought of it like that? You wouldn't happen to be a writer or aspire to be a writer, would you? Writers often don't fit into their families or birth cities or countries. Needing to figure out the "strangeness" of it all is what motivates them to write.
     
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    Actually, I think being born far away from places we deeply loved and haven't quite finished with yet creates a certain type of temperament in us. Maybe we came back to become bridges, quite literally, between cultures. It's a theory I appreciate, though I'm not sure whether it can be tested.
     
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    That may be true Mere Dreamer, but it appears that most of those longing for past life home; at least those who post in forums like this one; only long for those homes, and never actually do anything to become a "bridge". I'm curious, though, how do you specifically perceive being a type of "bridge"?
     
  17. AlexD

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    I do plan to come back at some point, actually. I just realize that for the moment it is technically impossible for me -need to finish my specialization in Italy first. But I've travelled back to Romania and it confirmed that my soul is still bound there, so for me the return is inevitable. I plan to do some stages/work there next year, if I'm lucky enough to make it.
     
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  18. GuySittingintheStands

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    Wow, Seeker, great question. The short answer is that we don't know yet. Not enough confirmed cases yet to even form a hypothesis let alone come up with a mechanism to explain what happens to deceased people/ person(s) ("DPs") moments, hours, weeks, months, years after they die. Both Carol Bowman and Jim Tucker seem to think, based on their case studies so far, that location of death does not necessarily determine where a DP reincarnates. A DP can reincarnate anywhere at any time up to the moment of birth. They agree that DPs (possibly with the help of some sort of "guide") pick their future birth parents, that there can be an emotional attachment involved in picking a particular set of parents, and that the only really objective criteria for sorting out past life candidates from non-candidates, are the specific past life memory fragments of children, usually between the ages of 2 and 7, that would otherwise (other than reincarnation) be inaccessible to the child in question. But I, like you, wonder, if this is the whole story.

    For starters, if you just read Dr. Ian Stevenson's case studies, including the one about the German WW2 pilot shot down in England who reincarnates in England in the same locale (within 10 miles roughly) about 25 years later (I'm doing this off the top of my head just coming back from several weeks vacation and not really having thought about your question for over 8 months), you would come away thinking that, yes, location does matter, at least for the majority of Dr. Stevenson's cases, say within about 100 miles or so. Even Carol and her husband when they were first researching their son's past life memories, began their searches looking for possible Civil War battlefields within, say 100 miles, of where they had lived in Asheville, North Carolina. But they couldn't come up with any conclusive answer, and so, left that part of their son's experience an open question.

    Soulcat brings up the case of James Leininger, probably the best case for reincarnation we have in this country (USA), a solid 10 on the confirmed case studies metric. I read the book, and like Soulcat, wondered if location could have been a factor in deciding where James Huston (the DP in this case) reincarnated (James Leininger was conceived at a hotel on Waikiki Beach, Oahu, Hawaii). If you do a little internet searching you'll find that the USS Natoma Bay, the aircraft carrier on which James Huston served when he was shot down in the Pacific Ocean during the battle for Iwo Jima in WW2, did undergo a squadron rotation within days of the Natoma Bay's actions in the area (and James Huston's death in the western Pacific as a downed pilot). Rotations of American aircraft squadrons at the time typically involved some time off between reassignments back to the nearest secure American base, for the case of James Huston's squadron, this may have meant, and probably did mean Pearl Harbor, Oahu, Hawaii, within walking distance of Waikiki Beach. Not only that, but the Natoma Bay itself did return to Pearl Harbor within weeks of its Iwo Jima operations for re-supply.

    But then we have the counter-example of Marty Martin, we'll say an 8 on the case metric credibility scale. The case involves Ryan Hammons, a young Muskogee, Oklahoma boy born in 2005 who recalled specific past life memories of a 1930s and 1940s Hollywood talent agent named Marty Martin, who died in Los Angeles in the 1960s. That's a quarter-continent away from Muskogee, Oklahoma, ie., not close. I e-mailed Dr. Tucker about this case, since he had done the actual face-to-face interviews, and he replied that the boy's parents had never been anywhere near Los Angeles at any time prior to the boy's birth. Never one to give up so easily, I researched the question a little further. Apparently the annual national convention of Police Chiefs (the boy's father was a Muskogee OK police officer at the time, and still is, I believe) was held in Los Angeles in the fall of 2004, months before the little boy's conception in Muskogee. Was there a Muskogee delegation to Los Angeles in 2004? I don't know. If there were, could a Muskogee delegate and his wife, brought home DP Marty Martin from LA that fall, who subsequently found his way into the womb of the little boy's mother later the following year? Impossible to say. If you read about the life of Marty Martin (say from contemporary newspaper articles found online), he was a pretty interesting character. One of his main clients was mixed up in the mob, and so Marty did fear for his life at one time during the 1940s. Another client,a beautiful Hollywood actress from Utah, whom Marty adored and talked about constantly in the 1930s and 1940s, did in fact die back home in Utah, also in the 1960s I believe (off the top of my head). But trying to pursue such leads takes one right down the rabbit hole, where, no doubt one could spend tons of time researching but not come up with any definitive answers in the end. It's probably better to stick to the easily explainable cases, and leave the location question open, to be explained later after a lot more case studies have been confirmed and resolved to the best of everyone's satisfaction.

    But, it still raises an interesting question. Are there, or do we have yet, objective criteria, such as death location, correlation of length of time between incarnations and distance (location) of those re-incarnations, for sorting out possible past life candidates from not likely past life candidates? What about apparent synchronicities, that is "purposeful coincidences" (or, if you prefer, "non-random coincidences") or, do we stick with confirming specific, otherwise inaccessible, past life memories in children between ages 2 and 7?

    Once again, excellent question, Seeker. Glad you brought it up.
     
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  19. GuySittingintheStands

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    Another example, from this forum actually, the case of BabyRN's toddler son, who most likely was one of the NYC firefighters killed in or at the World Trade Center on 9/11. His story as it unfolded in Baby RN's 11 page, 2007 thread is probably the most compelling original case study on this forum. For the purposes of Seeker's question, I don't think it matters much if we know the ID of the specific member of the FDNY who died that day. We do know where he died and how he died. Anyway, to Seeker's question, BabyRN's son was presumably born in California, circa 2004, which is where and about when BabyRN and her husband were living at the time. So at first blush, one would conclude that, no, location does not necessarily influence where one comes back, unless you conclude that the deceased person chose to come back as an American in his home country, America. But BabyRN provided these background details when asked if she had lived anywhere near NYC in her life:

    BabyRN, Oct 18, 2007 (p.3 of 11 page thread):
    "Oh ,by the way, we live in California but I grew up on the East coast and we go there for the summer. Not to NYC though...we are about three hours away. Its funny though I grew up close enough to Nyc and very seldom went there and as soon as I was out in California my husband and I go there in Dec. every year. my son loves the East coast though and never wants to leave at the end of the summer(his grandparents are there too)...he loves the beach...I don't know that I would bring him to Nyc anytime soon...I'm afraid it might upset him..."

    Apparently BabyRN and her husband visited NYC every December since moving out to California. BabyRN's son could have been born in California before BabyRN and her husband began taking their annual vacation to NYC every December, but he also may have been born after their annual trips back East. I don't know what it means,or even that it is relevant to the location question, but I thought it interesting enough to add to the discussion. Herring or Red Herring. I really don't know.
     
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    I don't know about countries, but when I was little apparently I kept telling my mother that I wanted to go home to my husband and children. I was able to show her the house I lived in - which was not far up the road from where I was living in that life. Maybe we reincarnate sometimes to try to be near the family we left behind in the last life?
     
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    So Seeker's original question was a little more involved than he/she suspected. Misty is right, of course, emotional attachment to certain people or a certain person in a particular place can influence where a deceased person (DP) eventually reincarnates. This goes to the Why question: Why do DPs reincarnate where they do, what are the factors that influence / determine where a DP reincarnates. I was a little more concerned with the How question: How do DPs reincarnate where they do, what conditions must be met before a DP reincarnates where they do. Does length of time between reincarnations play a role?

    I don't think there was any prior emotional attachment between DP James Huston and the Leiningers when he spotted them on Waikiki Beach, Oahu, Hawaii, although it would be impossible to know for sure. But I don't think there was. Ditto for DP Marty Martin and the Hammons, in Muskogee (County), Oklahoma. Really hard to see a connection there.

    I'm still concerned with the "How" part of the question, but it may also involve the "Why" part of the question in this case (as in Why do DPs reincarnate where they do?).
     
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  22. KenJ

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    Guy, I have no direct knowledge of the answer, but my thought would be that they where born where a member of their soul-group would be located (which is why I did not have a problem with Cathy's claim of being Lou's Mom). The concept of planning your life with others before being incarnated seems to be accepted by a majority of people, and it seems sensible to me.

    Your question is at the opposite end of life from the one that has often perplexed me - how did all those people agree to die at the same time as in the atomic blasts in Japan, or the mass of humanity in the prison camps in WWII, or even in the Twin Towers in NY City, those are the things that have led me to question both the "planning" and the whole concept of reincarnation at times.
     
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    Now such an interesting question which am still pondering. As for myself have read Ian Stevenson's books and know about his thoughts on this matter. And interesting reading the replies here.

    As for myself and this question, is not about where I died in the last life but several past lives previously and where I was born in this life. Now in three different past life regressions, I saw myself as a Cheyenne Native American Woman with two kids which died at the Sand Creek Massacre in eastern Colorado in 1864. In this present life, I was born in Denver, Colorado in 1956. But it seems there could have been several lives in between this in other various locations. But still I find these two lives with where I died previously as a Cheyenne Woman and where I was born in this life interesting.

    For whatever it might be worth. Wishing Everyone the Best!
     
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    Ken, didn't mean to imply that I am completely sold on the idea of reincarnation. I'm just a regular guy looking for answers like a lot of other folks that visit this forum. That said, you'll have to admit that it's a pretty good explanation of some otherwise unexplainable observations. It just needs to be fleshed out (if you'll pardon the pun). I think most people who visit this forum would agree, however, we do survive physical death, in some form or another, despite the prevailing materialistic worldview. Your criticism of the popular idea (in some circles) that deceased persons (DPs) "choose" who they come back as, knowing what the next incarnation holds in store for them, is certainly valid. A commentor in reference to the Daily Mail online write-up/ review of Cathy Byrd's book raised the same objection: Who would want to come back into an impoverished and perhaps abusive family (Nobody!) and yet babies are born into impoverished and abusive families all the time. But maybe they (DPs), just like us, even having access to a lot more information about the future than we have on this side, still aren't provided with all the details of their future lives, just like we aren't provided with insights into our own future on this side. We see through a glass darkly. Maybe they do as well.
     
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    I died at the spala hunting lodge (belonging to Tsar Nicholas II) in Russia (now Poland) and I was reborn as a girl in Oregon with a nearly similar birthday as my previous life.
     
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    In my opinion, no. Unless your soul wants to go back there, then it would. But most likely it would choose somewhere else to incarnate.
     
  27. RedSunshine

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    No influence at all
     
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    I go by the premise that even if we know who and what we were before, we don't know who and what we may be in the future. It gives a perspective on race and culture prejudice against other individuals.
    That isn't to say that we should not be loyal to the race and culture of our current life, but that the loyalty shouldn't lead to hatred of other people based upon no more than they being of a different but normal race or culture.

    Not a specific answer, but a general one. From that I figure is that where we die and who and what as is unlikely to affect where we are maybe next born. Just imo.

    I hope that helps :)
     
  29. Quinton

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    In my opinion, seeing that this is not a one size fits all and also seeing that we all have different reasons why we reincarnate, it is possible that it could have an influence. When I look at my past life memories, I see a lifetime where I was executed in Iran. Before I saw that past life, during my childhood years, I always had a very deep fascination with Iran that I could never explain and I somehow always felt like I belong there. Then there is also my experience of living in France for several years in this life, just knowing my way around some of the cities and towns. I used to feel that I am connected to France since childhood as well and during one of my past life regressions, I saw myself in a different life, dying in France as well.

    I think that a soul can reincarnate at any place or time or situation that suits its energy vibration in order for it to continue its soul journey. That might be where they died or it might not.
     
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    I don’t believe there’s any link.
    Many people are born and die in one country and reincarnate in another.
    We choose our mother, not our location.
    I’m still in the same country - Born in Kent, England, died in London, England, reincarnated in Sheffield England.
    But I doubt my past life had anything to do with that.
     

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