Famous past lives or archetypal affinity?

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by Owl, May 15, 2012.

  1. Owl

    Owl Super-alt Mitglied

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    This is an article I wrote a few months ago and I thought it would be a good idea to share it here for discussion and to see other people' s perspectives about the subject. When i started to research my past lives and I was "Vulnerable" I had people telling me "What if it' s archetypal affinity?" "What if it' s just projection?" and I actually listened to them, which I guess in the long run it was a good thing since i learnt from it what the difference between a PL and something else is (As an aside, it wasn' t archetypal affinity or projection, it was a past life). So this could be useful for people that are just starting to research their past and have doubts whether it' s a true recollection or something else. It' s just my opinion though, people might think different.

    Sometimes for some reason we feel very drawn to a historical character, and since we believe in reincarnation and we know that strong interests could be an indicator of past lives, we think we might have been that person. However, sometimes it's not the case. That person could just represent something to us, maybe we had a similar life? maybe we had similar ideas? It could also be that we were close to that person back then, or that that person is the main icon of a place we remember being at. It kinda sucks to really like someone and have no idea why. Here goes some guidelines that might help you recognize if your historical persona of interest could have been you or you like them for other unknown reasons.

    (For didactic purposes and because i cannot think of anyone else, John Lennon is going to be my example on this occasion)

    Memories from different ages: whether you were Cyril the Baker or John the Baptist you NEED to have memories. ANYWAYS, let's say that you do have memories, something that might separate a famous past life (from now on "FPL") for an affinity with a person is if you have memories of different stages of their life (and of course, you get validations for all of them). If you think you could have been John Lennon because you remember playing music with Paul McCartney but you don't remember anything about his childhood, his problems, his later days, etc It doesn't really mean that you were him, it COULD, but you could also have been Stuart Suttcliffe for example .

    Your true self: If you were thinking already for a while that you were John Lennon and you have some unvalidated memories but then you have a series of other memories that say something different and you can validate them and everything matches and make sense, you won't care too much that you were not Lennon, you will be happy that you finally found your true past self. I guess this would be to draw the difference between a PL and wishful thinking.

    Memories II:
    I know this has been said in other threads but you cannot take: similarities in life, similarities in looks, interests, similarities in thought, abilities and a long list of etceteras that are not memories, as proof of a past life. If you play the guitar well, find Japanese women sexy, wear glasses and are a hippie, that doesn't mean that you were John Lennon. However, if you have have some of his memories, everything said above will give strength to your claim. So don't look for similarities, look for memories.

    Other lives:
    If you were famous in one life, chances are that you weren't famous in most of your other lives. Try to have memories of other lifetimes, Do they feel the same? remembering other lives might help you realize how a memory is supposed to feel.

    You remember obscure facts: Not always, but a lot of times people never remember what they're famous for. Anyways, if you think you were John Lennon but your memories are: playing in an scenario, being shot, brief image of Yoko Ono and fangirls screaming ... I don't know...I would be having serious doubts about that life If i were you. You can remember that, but if you also remember obscure details like (i will make them up) Christmas at Aunt Mimi's house and how she gave you an action figure as a present - falling in love with a prostitute in Hamburg - getting drunk and throwing up over Ringo's shoes, THEN you would be on a better track.

    Anyone else has more ideas?
     
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  2. Red Night

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    I think another good one is whether or not you have strong emotions not directly towards the person you think you may have been, but towards the people that surrounded that person. When you read about So-and-So's father's or mother's or whatever's death is it like reading an obituary in the newspaper, or is it like reading about the death of someone very dear to you.
     
  3. usetawuz

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    Your comments resonate with me Owl. While I have had archetypal affinities for the Shakespearian era and the Battle of Agincourt, I found that in the first example I was the son of a player who knew Shakespeare was simply another player...not a playwrite...and I had very strong emotion about his unwarranted accolades. Likewise, after reading Henry the Fifth and the Battle of Agincourt, I felt immense sadness, hopelessness and exhaustion...not because I participated, but because I was a French cleric and not only saw the carnage after the fact, but I had no remaining relatives except women and children. Strong emotional direction helped flesh out my participation in a time of note rather than indicating I was Shakespeare or Henry the Fifth.


    The counter to the archetypal affinity is the actual lifetime led, and the impressions you have will often come as a surprise. Not only do the memories you receive count, but the feelings and emotions also help to enable one to pinpoint the individual through which you gained those memories.


    My case in point was one in which I was greatly drawn to an era of significant social and national change. I had a strong affinity for one of the leading lights of that period. The primary competitor of this man was a man for whom I held some level of critical feeling nearing contempt...not because he had done anything I found particularly heinous...rather because I felt more strongly familiar and friendly to the other, and the latter was his rival.


    As I began my pl meditation I found I was obtaining memories not in line with the man for whom I felt affinity and began to sense the being of whom I was critical. The other man had almost no family and I was getting the sense of being surrounded by loving family with alot of support. It became clear that I was the individual I felt critically about, and while history knows of the rancor between the two men, I felt friendliness and appreciation towards the other man as one would feel toward a worthy and respected rival...and for myself I had been feeling the self-critical desire to have done better or to have done things differently with the benefit of hindsight.
     
  4. Nightrain

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    Of all the famous or notable people I have read about, none have really stood out as being particularly unique from many other people I have met in life. In fact, I have known people who were every bit as driven as Alexander The Great and every bit as intelligent as Einstein. The only difference is that they were not as fortunate as Alexander or Albert to have been at the right place at the right time. Fame, as we know it, is really largely a matter of luck and circumstance. Of course, being intelligent or driven are certainly requisite features of fame and notoriety.


    So, I think it is entirely possible that many people may have an affinity to various famous historic personalities. I think it may even be possible that many contemporaries of these famous people could even have been equally deserving of such fame and notoriety, but that fate and circumstances were simply not in their favor. Thus, when we find ourselves knowing certain facts about a certain period and about the unique knowledge possessed by a well-known personality, it is not surprising that we would identify with that person, instead of the others that history chose to forget.
     
  5. Owl

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    In theory i agree with you guys, as feelings for a certain time period is usually an indicator or a past life there, feelings for the people surrounding the person we identify with or think we were could be an indicator as well. However, if you don't remember other lives besides that one (a bit to know how past life things feel like) emotions can lead you in a totally wrong direction. Sometimes you just feel empathy and you can easily confuse it with past life feelings if you don't have another past life to compare it with. And that could be dangerous for your research, that's why basically i was just telling people "just stick with the memories".


    As an aside, I've noticed that past life feelings for other people are strong and immediate, at least for me. That could be a difference with empathic feelings, those take more time.
     
  6. Shiftkitty

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    I have a very strong affinity for King Ludwig II, and when I read his biography I couldn't stop myself from thinking things like "That's not what happened," or being somehow aware of "deeper things" when some of his stranger behavior was described, but I stop short of claiming him as a PL. Part of the problem is the time period. I was in another life at the time and don't believe in overlapping lives. It's possible something about Ludwig II struck a chord with that life, hence the affinity.
     
  7. Jim78

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    Hi Owl.

    Interesting topic.

    On your YOU REMEMBER OBSCURE FACTS point. I assume if you remembered throwing up on Ringo's shoes then one would have to ask Ringo himself if this is an accurate memory?

    Unfortunately there are no living witnesses to my PLs so I can't confirm obscure facts.

    The nearest I got was remembering my son Murchad dead on the battlefield at Clontarf in 1014. I had thought this memory erroneous because some later accounts say he died the next day. Yet upon backtracking through the influences I traced its source to a propaganderist epic poem seemingly based on Greek myth written within a century after the battle. Also in my memory he had a head injury. There is no mention of this in the epic poem. The poem was written much like a modern biographical film would be written. With the facts altered and/or embellished for dramatic effect.

    All contemporary 11th century annals and indeed a later annal simply list him as one of the dead at Clontarf. The embellishment of his death came later in an account known to be overly flowery and hyperbolic.

    Does this fall under your DO YOU REMEMBER OBSCURE FACTS point? My memory isn't contradicted by contemporary annals after all just by much later semi fictionalised accounts of the battle.
     

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