Fear of the return ticket

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  1. treetrop

    treetrop New Member

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    Okay I've read Childrens Past Lives, Journey & Destiny of Souls, John Edward, Van Praagh. Death seems like a peaceful time of lightness, floating up toward the light, extreme blissfuless, and the reuniting with loved ones. I'm cool with that, not afraid. What worries me is the return ticket. Someone's going to come back as that serial killer or radical extremist hell bent on killing hordes of innocent people. Although I'm sure there are life lessons to be learned, I can't imagine why anyone, while standing in the ring of destiny, would say "Oh yeah that's the life I want". This is the only part of reincarnation that concerns me.
     
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    tiltjlp A Recycled Soul

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    As I understand reincarnation, we don't reincarnate with a recycled life. Violence and similar traits are caused not only possibly by past life influences, but also by current life environment and other factors.
     
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    Interesting thread, Treetrop!


    We need to remember that most of our life is probably free will. In the spirit world, they will not know everything that we are going to do in our incarnations. Yes, okay, we may pick to be born into a rich family, pick the type of body we want and so on. However, these are the basics to set us on our path to learn what we need to in that particular incarnation. The rest is up to us. I don't think anyone chooses to incarnate as a serial killer or anything like that.
     
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    That's what concerns me, as well! If one were to consider Reincarnation a kind of lottery, our chances of being thrust into situations involving pain, starvation, abuse and various other forms of Hell on Earth would seem pretty large and very likely. But, as Tiltjlp indicated, it really isn't so much a lottery as it is an opportunity for us to get to the next level. If our past involved inflicting Hell on Earth, then it seems likely that we would be given the time between lives to understand our transgressions and decide on our own to come back and deal with it in whatever way we choose. But it doesn't have to necessarily involve being on the receiving end.


    In your case, the return trip may involve more mundane issues with very little "Hell", or, at least no more than anyone else. After all, not a one of us can escape pain or heartbreak completely. But, there must be something that keeps us coming back, and I do believe the choice is totally ours.
     
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    IMO, soul lessons given to us by deities/ascended masters do not exist. If that were the case we would all be learning to make marinara sauce for the flying spaghetti monster.
     
  6. treetrop

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    I'm not really sure what tiltjlp means by a recycled soul. I guess what I'm really asking is: was someone like bin Laden a cute freckle faced strawberry blonde from the midwest who played with Barbie dolls as a girl and joined the cheerleading squad as a high school teenager in his previous life. And what is he going to come back as after he goes through his renewal? A preacher's wife? Is there a logical progression of life experiences or do we just pick from a grab bag of what's available to bang out whatever lessons we need to fulfill?
     
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    From my standpoint each life we live begins with a lifeplan, or framework put together to experience various aspects of being incarnate. Upon arrival in our body, there are certain aspects we have chosen...the timeframe in which we live will determine who our parents are, the physical talents and limitations inherent in that body, together with social and family connections or lack thereof. Then there are immutable events we will live through virtue of the timing of this incarnation...9/11/01, for instance, which will affect the surrounding environment in which the incarnate individual develops. The wild card is free will...within those parameters named above and through our free will we direct the actual path of our lifetime...somethings we are forced to do due to societal pressures, some things we do because we want to, some things we do because we hear that little voice in our head.


    I don't have any fear of doing something heinous in this life or a later one...this lifetime will not make me a mass murderer, and I expect I will not devolve in the future, but instead find greater refinement of my desire for peace and harmony. And while I know there are no certainties involved, I also have a sense of some very positive forces involved with each of us that simply need to be acknowledged to be effective for us.
     
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    In my opinion we weren't human before we came into these bodies and won't be after we have left them. The soul has no human attributes, everything Bin Laden did that we perceive as wrong was part of his ego/psyche which ceases to exist upon death. Since we aren't human in the afterlife any sort of progression/pay back of karma makes no sense, as much wrong doing is the result of wearing a human body. So Bin Laden may come back as a completely normal person.
     
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    I guess I'm one of the few who doesn't necessarily believe that we choose the circumstances into which we will be born. I tend to think it's either chance or part of some higher plan that we really have no infuence over. So, in theory, since I consider my current life circumstances to be in the top 1% worldwide, chances are very good that my next life isn't going to be as wondeful as this one.


    Yeah I know...spiritual growth and all that. However, I'm not spiritually evolved enough at this point to care much about that. I'm very attached to this life and the thought of being born into another one with greater challenges depresses me. Also...what if I were born a male? No more shopping for cute clothes, jewelry, make-up??!! :eek: Oh, the horror!
     
  10. tiltjlp

    tiltjlp A Recycled Soul

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    What I mean by Recycled Soul is that our soul is on a journey to learn different and varied life lessons. Our basic human personality isn't what is progressive, but our soul's collected Personality, for want of a better term. I don't believe that we are alone in deciding the details of each reincarnation, but rather that a council guides us in choosing the life plan that will help us learn the spiritual lessons we need as we progress toward Nirvana.
     
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    I wouldn't worry so much about ending up in a situation that is not of your choosing. I think we have a limited view of reality when we are incarnate (more like incarcerated) here on Earth. But, accounts of Past Life Memories, Near Death, After Death and even Quantum Theory all seem to consistently indicate that we are much more in the "know" on the other side, where time and space have quite different meanings. You may be much more spiritually "evolved" than you realize. It is not hard to believe that we are in a much better position there to make certain choices, which we would also find hard to bear or understand right now.
     
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    I feel exactly the same way. My life hasn’t been perfect by any means but I’m certainly in the top 1%, and I was very lucky in that my upbringing, society, family, spouse, etc., made it easy for me to be morally upright (mostly : angel ) and smug. What would I be if I were born into poverty and surrounded by drug lords or something? I’m not under any illusions that I’m all that spiritually advanced - after all, we can’t all be, and I’m nothing special.
     
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    I really do think we can choose the basics for each incarnation. However, its up to us to make the most of it. Its weird, though, thinking that we could choose to be born into places in the world were we will basically starve right from birth, live for a few years, then die. Are we all crazy when we become souls? :freak: I know sometimes we may do stuff like this for the sake of assisting other souls in their development, but ask me now and I would be like "hmm.. No thanks. I'm coming back as a rockstar:cool".
     
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    We are only crazy as humans, I think.
     
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    In Carol Bowman's book, "Return From Heaven", she writes:

    Very often this same kind of information regarding choice also comes from other reports of past life sessions, near death experiences and a variety of after death communications. Such varied reports from therapists and individuals all seem to corroborate that choice is ultamately in the hands of each person and there seems to be no mention of cases in which a person is involuntarily "thrown" into situations.
     
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    This NDE validates that we reincarnate with the same group of souls, as she said she was aware of living other lives with her husband and brother. It also validates the concept of non-linear reincarnation:

     

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