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If time does not exist

Red Night

Red Night

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Then do we have the ability to be incarnate into separate eras? What if when people believe they are viewing their 'future' lives, they are in all actuality viewing their 'past' lives? And what if the past lives we see are actually our future live yet to happen simply because if time is non-existent then there should be no chronological order. My next life could take place during the last century, the life after that two thousand years from now, and the next in the present era! It simply does not make sense for our lives to go in chronological order because no such thing really even exists... Besides, different eras in our 'time' may be better suited for certain lessons we have to learn.
What are your thoughts on this?

Sorry if this has been discussed already.
 
well it's been debated that time doesn't exist as we know it outside of this reality and I for one certainly think it's possible to die, come back and live again either before or even at the same time as another one of your lives.


However I think for the most part that doesn't happen that often unless there's a need for it. I would think that the point of living lives is to experience linear time and the accomplishments and progressions that come along with it and jumping around a bit would destroy the "illusion".
 
Is it possible that we only perceive linear time simply because we are observing it? It's the whole light particle thing. If you observe the photns, they behave as particles. If you don't observe them, they behave as waves. This would make linear time no less real than any other form of time, and only make it the time which we observe. Of course, if we observe other forms of time, they will stop behaving as those forms and will become linear time. The best we can hope for, therefore, is to see the results of other forms of time.


Sorry. I'm on headache pills and a documentary on zombies...:freak:
 
Time...is there such a thing?

I have often said... "In my next life, I'm not coming back in the future!" I also believe that we reincarnate in the best possible "time" for the best possible experience in our souls learning process. In this "process" it would make sence that we move forward, but who knows the agenda of a soul, and I really don't think a soul cares what time it is...

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Honestly, I think that would be really possible, at least for me... Because a few days before I walked in my body 2 years ago I literally was at the devastated Berlin in 1945.


I'm no scientist but this is my theory, how do we know there's only one way forward...? We could always go back but if we do, would we mess with History and what would happen to history on this side? For example, we changed the course of history and the American civil war never happened? Or the axis side won WW2?


So what I think is that the soul can go back, but onto a parallel universe. As we are souls, we can travel through the fabric of time to another one where we can live at the proper time our souls sees fit. We might even done this before and the time we're living now is just another one of those parallel dimensions. But whatever we do at the parallel dimension can't effect the others at all so they just let us wreak havoc there... The possibilities are endless and unfathomable! Anyway, the parallel dimension theory is stated by Stephen Hawking, got to give him credit.


Well, that's just what I think...
 
My understanding is pretty much the same as Wuxin's - probably because of our common experience with regards to the soul exchange process.


I'm also of the thought of what Totoro mentioned about the experience of linear time.


That said though, with regards to linear time, because I have not been 'immersed' for so long in linear time (now that I'm sitting here thinking about all this) but rather a different sort of time - that which is 'understood' by mariners is probably another reason why I 'work' with time differently. One of my favorite quotes regarding this is:


"What wonder that mariners tended to be reflective, when they had to deal with abstract time and celestial space just to find out where they were in the watery world." - Robert Foulke


There was an article I had come across some time ago - 'Does the Past Exist Yet?' It made me ponder a bit and only just recently have I been able to make sense of how I perceive time compared with someone who is reincarnated by birth.
 
Even if you could go back in time, you wouldn't change everything because it's already happened. Even if your going back is to attempt a change, because that was all part of it! :laugh:


It gets confusing but if you're able to take yourself off of this plane in your mind and view this time stream as a movie with the ability to rewind and fast forward, you'd be able to see how all these connections add up to the same sequence of events over and over.


This is a really good TV show that represents the principal.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)


I'm not a big fan of the parallel worlds theory myself as I think it's more of a thought experiment or mathematical loophole with it's roots in metaphysics. Although I could more likely believe in the multiverse theory.
 
I see Time as I see the Universe. Always moving, always changing. So, in that context, that means the past is forever moving, as well as the present and the future. Everything we did effects now, and everything we do now effects the future. And the future effects the past.


Knowing that, I believe it is possible for our souls to travel to other times or travel to another universe/dimension and live in a time prior to now, but with different outcomes and possibilities.


After all, who says the Universe has boundaries? I'm an idealist, but from the perspective of a realist, wouldn't it be illogical to claim that the Universe has a limit to what it can do? But I'm going to stop myself there before I go completely off topic.
 
I think time exists as a sequencing device enabling the illusion of a functional third dimensional reality. It can be sped up or slowed down to meet the experiential needs of the beings "living the life".


I believe it is possible for a soul to become conscious in lifetimes linearly occurring prior to what we consider the present...however, I get a little hung up when trying to figure in free will and the effects it could have on our sense of history...but then if one considers the idea that our sense of history may be changed as easily as any other illusion, where is the difficulty...but then...well, you get my nebulous point!
 
It does get a bit metaphysical after that point because then you get into relative perceptions when you're dealing with free will and such.


For instance, say you died in one life in a car accident. You then decided to be reborn into someone that is your other life's friend to stop them from getting into the car before the accident.


If you could string the series of lives together, in that relative perception, then yes you changed history.


But if you took yourself out of this time and dimension, you'd see that you changed nothing because everything was the way it was from the beginning.


It's certainly a brain teaser, but it's also the main reason I'm taoist. The nature of the universe and many other things has this dual nature of "it is" and at the same time "it isn't". It's very interesting and complex when you begin to think about it..
 
Red Night said:
Then do we have the ability to be incarnate into separate eras?
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Although time does not exist in between lives, it exists here on earth. I think we can slow down or speed up the 'time' in between our incarnations even if we wanted to incarnate 200 earth years from then. You could be right, but it doesn't really make much sense to me. What if you incarnated into the past and killed your grandparents from a future life you had just lived. That would mean that they wouldn't have been alive on earth to enable that future life you had.
 
Wow, thanks for all your opinions!


Anyway, I believe, as someone mentioned, that if we can incarnate into different eras they are probably in alternate universes... But who knows?! :)
 
I'm still in touch with a girlfriend that I feel was past life related when I was fourteen through sixteen, yeah, that started sixty-seven years ago this month. We have retained our feelings for all of those years, my choosing to seek my fortune while she went on to become a wife and mother which was so important for her. Lately, she has heard my voice calling her name and then texting me to see if anything is going with me (My wife isn't thrilled with that relationship:().

A thought occurred to me, would it be possible that it is very difficult to time things on the 'other side' since there seemingly no time there and I truly am trying o reach her from the other side but my timing is a bit off?
 
KenJ said:
A thought occurred to me, would it be possible that it is very difficult to time things on the 'other side' since there seemingly no time there and I truly am trying o reach her from the other side but my timing is a bit off?
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I'm not sure I understand. When you say "reach her from the other side" it gives me the impression that either you or she are now deceased, but I don't think I understood your meaning.
 
KenJ said:
I'm still in touch with a girlfriend that I feel was past life related when I was fourteen through sixteen, yeah, that started sixty-seven years ago this month. We have retained our feelings for all of those years, my choosing to seek my fortune while she went on to become a wife and mother which was so important for her. Lately, she has heard my voice calling her name and then texting me to see if anything is going with me (My wife isn't thrilled with that relationship:().

A thought occurred to me, would it be possible that it is very difficult to time things on the 'other side' since there seemingly no time there and I truly am trying o reach her from the other side but my timing is a bit off?
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I think that apparently missed earthly relationship opportunities with non-physical soulmates is caused by our (human) free will, that affects any possible pre-birth intentions. I had such an experience.

The "no time", I believe, means that the time-over-there has no relation with the time-over-here. It is in the same way as the time-over-here has no relation with the time-in-our-dreams.
 
Both of us are currently above room temperature, but I'm wondering if I died first and tried to contact her but missed the timing.

We are on the same page baro-san!
 
KenJ said:
Both of us are currently above room temperature, but I'm wondering if I died first and tried to contact her but missed the timing.

We are on the same page baro-san!
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I believe that souls from the other side send messages to us all the time, but I aren't tuned in.

On the other hand, we-after-death aren't the same as we-now-here; we have other perspective, other goals, and the relationship reports between souls are markedly different than the relationship reports between their incarnations.

There also is the period that most souls spend getting rid of their human baggage (beliefs, attachments), before they move on to a more soul proper status.
 
You and I are still on the same page! The only thing I have to add is that to my question she said my voice was younger - as I expected.
 
KenJ said:
You and I are still on the same page! The only thing I have to add is that to my question she said my voice was younger - as I expected.
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Hi KenJ,
I suppose that when we incarnate we leave a part of our energy "behind" which means to my understanding that there´s always a part in the "no-time" space. So chances are you either tried to contact her
1. in an OBE you don´t remember (aka dream state), or
2. from the "no time" space for whatever reason or
3. just as you said after death but with wrong timing.

2 or 3 makes more sense to the "younger voice" she heard.
Interesting occurance, anyway. :)
How do you feel about it overall that you`ve had no romantic relationship with her, do you think you missed something, an opportunity, or does it feel alright to you?
 
baro-san said:
I believe that souls from the other side send messages to us all the time, but I aren't tuned in.

On the other hand, we-after-death aren't the same as we-now-here; we have other perspective, other goals, and the relationship reports between souls are markedly different than the relationship reports between their incarnations.

There also is the period that most souls spend getting rid of their human baggage (beliefs, attachments), before they move on to a more soul proper status.
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What a boredom must it be, to exist as a not incarnated soul !
It looks like when we die, an important part of us, of our "ego" = our incarnated consciousness, dies, too, and gets lost irreversibly. The part related to our physical body, I mean. I don't like it at all. I like being incarnated, and I don't want to get rid of my "human baggage" - some time in the future. I understand the time is different there, between incarnations, like the opposite to what could happen near a massive black hole - it just flows there much faster, so one hundred years there could be equivalent to, say, a week or a day here. But you can only move in time towards the future (faster or slower), not in a to and fro manner like in sci-fi time travels.
 
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Cyrus said:
What a boredom must it be, to exist as a not incarnated soul !
It looks like when we die, an important part of us, of our "ego" = our incarnated consciousness, dies, too, and gets lost irreversibly. The part related to our physical body, I mean. I don't like it at all. I like being incarnated, and I don't want to get rid of my "human baggage" - some time in the future. I understand the time is different there, between incarnations, like the opposite to what could happen near a massive black hole - it just flows there much faster, so one hundred years there could be equivalent to, say, a week or a day here. But you can only move in time towards the future (faster or slower), not in a to and fro manner like in sci-fi time travels.
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I believe that the relation between the afterlife's time and our time is similar to the relation between our time and our dreams' time. If at all, I think that our time passes slower than the afterlife's (similarly to the idea of the movie "Inception"). During a regression you can move in time either direction; you can also imagine altering an event, and see how that would pan out.
 
baro-san said:
I believe that the relation between the afterlife's time and our time is similar to the relation between our time and our dreams' time. If at all, I think that our time passes slower than the afterlife's (similarly to the idea of the movie "Inception"). During a regression you can move in time either direction; you can also imagine altering an event, and see how that would pan out.
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OK, but a regression is a travel along our memory and/or our imagination; it's not a REAL afterlife, it's what we REMEMBER (more or less truly) as our afterlife. Like e.g. what I remember as my last year trip to Greece. When I travel along my memory about that trip, I, too, can move in time in either direction. If you alter an event in your memory (during a regression), it only affects your imagination, i.e., the contents of your memory (memory about memory), not the underlying reality. That's why regressions look to you like a dream. If we could alter a PAST event in REAL life/afterlife, very ugly paradoxes would arise, like our eliminating - willingly or not - the origins of our own existence, and so on.
 
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In my opinion, in these matters no logic applies. There can be no argumentation about what makes sense, who's right, .... :)
 
baro-san said:
In my opinion, in these matters no logic applies. There can be no argumentation about what makes sense, who's right, .... :)
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OK, baro-san, mi fido, I trust you, with such an enormous experience in these matters that you have.
I haven't even passed a single regression, mainly because many people (from this forum) keep warning that a PL memory can be very harmful, and besides, my PLs do not interest me at all. The past has passed, it's no use crying over spilt milk; that past life of mine (whatever it might have been) has vanished, morally and juridically I cannot make any pretensions.

Have a very nice week.
 
Cyrus said:
What a boredom must it be, to exist as a not incarnated soul !
It looks like when we die, an important part of us, of our "ego" = our incarnated consciousness, dies, too, and gets lost irreversibly. The part related to our physical body, I mean. I don't like it at all. I like being incarnated, and I don't want to get rid of my "human baggage" - some time in the future. I understand the time is different there, between incarnations, like the opposite to what could happen near a massive black hole - it just flows there much faster, so one hundred years there could be equivalent to, say, a week or a day here. But you can only move in time towards the future (faster or slower), not in a to and fro manner like in sci-fi time travels.
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Cyrus, I posted this some time back so if I am repeated myself I apologies. As I understand it our past life memories are stored in the permanent atom of the soul body or what some may term the causal body. The causal /Soul Body is named "Causal" because it is the originating source of each new personality that reincarnates in each lifetime. It is the source of your manifested present personality, causing it to be and exist.

When your present personality ends, the eternal essence of you is absorbed and goes inward into the next inner body which would be the astral (4th dimension) Soul will then spend time on various levels of this dimension of reality until the same process occurs once again and soul drops the astral body and goes further inward into the mental body. Then after some time has been spent on the mental (5th) dimension soul will drop the mental body and finally return to full consciousness within the Soul/Casual Body on the Casual Plane (6th) dimension which is the eternal part of you. The Soul Body is immortal as it exists beyond time space and matter during your soul journey through the many incarnations or lifetimes within the lower worlds of duality which are the physical, astral and mental dimensions.

So each time we reincarnate we receive a new mental, astral and physical body which have no memory of these prior lifetimes. However the karmic actions from the past are carried over to later be expressed in the new lifetime. This is because the permanent memories and karmic actions of these other lifetimes are stored within the soul body itself. But since the new incarnated ego has no memory of this it will in essences get a clean slate each time. This process is how the soul/consciousness itself evolves. At least In my opinion.

This is one of the reason why children have an easier time remembering their past lives is because their inner bodies are still developing along with their physical one. Having not yet lived in this world all that long allows them easier access to the connections within the soul body’s permanent atom and its memories of other lifetimes lived. As the child grows older this becomes less and less possible as the present personality is now taking hold and is more grounded into the physical world. In time these memories fade all together. In a way this is has it should.

As nature is kind by not allowing us to normally have memories of these other lifetimes so as to prevent any harm it may cause both mentality and emotionally to the present personality now being lived. I find the process of reincarnation itself a wonder way of souls journey in learning about the inner self. I feel we are all here in this physical plane because the soul must know itself by it's own experiences.

So to answer your question life on the higher dimensions in-between physical lifetimes is not boring at all in fact it is much more active, busy, and in general more rewarding as we see and understand our reality from a grander point of view were the laws of physics respond to thought and feeling almost instantley allow the soul to create what every reality it wants. We will still remeber our last lifetime lived with all the baggage as you but it until we decide to reincarenate back into the physical world. Well at least something to look forward to.

Peace and love.
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