Are gender issues past life related?

[Raptor95]

I do not want to offend anyone. I am all the way for freedom of sexuality. But since it is a hard life to go thru, that is why I have had this question for a long time. But I was afraid to ask it.
If someone comes back of an opposite sex from the recent PL. could that make them feel that they were born in the wrong body? Or be attracted to same sex? Maybe they were reincarnated to soon after their death. I know that we are born to be who we are, But still???
Me just curious :freak:

 

[Nightrain]

Hi Raptor!


I can't answer your question from a personal viewpoint. However, stories often appear to indicate that there are various levels of confusion with many new incarnations, who wonder where their old family members are, or where their old house used to be. And, it seems that there can also be some confusion about gender or body type. There are members of this Forum, who could speak more directly on this issue, and I hope they will lend their insight and experience.


If your question has a high level of emotional content, I must warn you that we are not trained to handle issues that may be better handled by professional counselors. But, if you are searching for general knowledge, you can find many posts and threads on the subject by selecting the "Search" pull-down menu header bar on this page.


It seems apparent that we all probably change genders more than once. But, the general consensus is that such issues are usually agreed upon or pre-determined by the soul for any number of personal reasons, and with the help of spiritual guides and members of fellow soul-mates.

 

[Raptor95]

I was just asking for general knowledge. No one in particular.


For instance, I wonder if we truely do chose the life we are living. Why did I chose the life I have with the family that I have? I can say I must have had super easy life before to have picked such a life that I did this time around. Hehehee

 

[Nightrain]

I wonder if we truely do chose the life we are living. Why did I chose the life I have with the family that I have? I can say I must have had super easy life before to have picked such a life that I did this time around. Hehehee

Yours is a very worthwhile question. I think, at times, we all suspect that we must have done something really stupid to end up where we are in this life. Some sources say that we definitely make choices before we are born; and they liken the choices to picking college courses. Sometimes we bite off more than we can handle, because we want to accelerate our spiritual progress. And, sometimes, we choose difficult circumstances in order to help someone else. They say that we work with our guides and members of our soul group to research and choose the best circumstances for our purpose. And many stories indicate that souls sometimes balk at coming back to earth at the last minute, which could explain a number of stillbirths and miscarriages.

 

[Raptor95]

Thanks for the laugh...I am still laughing "boy did I do some thing Stupid heheeee


Good Night and sweet dreams Nightrain1

 

[Truthseeker]

If someone comes back of an opposite sex from the recent PL. could that make them feel that they were born in the wrong body? Or be attracted to same sex? Maybe they were reincarnated to soon after their death. I know that we are born to be who we are, But still???
Me just curious :freak:

Souls do reincarnate as both sexes. Most souls tend to prefer one gender over the other, and will incarnate as that gender the majority of the time. If they incarnate in a body that is not their perfered gender, it is possible they could struggle with it. It seems that some have more trouble with it than others. The reason for this I do not know. I also don't know how much of a correlation, if any, there is with past lives and sexual orientation. For me personally, I was female in my last life, but I am a heterosexual male in this life.

I wonder if we truely do chose the life we are living. Why did I chose the life I have with the family that I have? I can say I must have had super easy life before to have picked such a life that I did this time around.

I believe the life we chose depends greatly on what we intend to achieve or come to understand in that particular life. It is possible that the life you are in is not for your benefit but for someone elses. I believe we chose which parents we are born to, but once life begins, free will plays a significant role. Not only your own free will, but that of those around you as well. I know there are days that I get out of bed, and there are things that I intend to do that day. However, once the days begins and things start to unfold, the day doesn't always exactly turn out the way I envisioned it in my head. Things that I intended to do don't all get done, and get pushed back to being on the agenda for the next day. I think lifetimes happened the same way, and hopefully we don't drift too far off track. Some of us are better at staying on track than others. : angel

 

[Raptor95]

Thank you for answering my question.


I agree with you. I wish I could see or know why I chose this life and change whatever I came to do. And maybe make it easier on me and some of family member and friends. I know I was a girl in one pastlife in my 20's.And I am a girl now too. I do not meditate much because part of me is scared to. I am scared to faint or some thing while doing it.


If anyone had these feeling about meditating please let me know how it was for you.


Thanks to for your support.

 

[Nightrain]

I do not meditate much because part of me is scared to. I am scared to faint or some thing while doing it.

You don't have to worry about fainting when you meditate. If anyone faints while meditating, it is because of an unrelated medical condition, or forgetting to breath. Meditation is nothing more than focusing all of our attention on breathing and relaxation, which has the effect of allowing our subconscious mind to surface. The only danger in meditating is if we do so while driving to the mall, or sitting in the middle of a busy highway. Don't do it while operating heavy equipment.


Otherwise, the very worst that can happen is that you'll fall asleep. The same is true of hypnosis.

 

[Raptor95]

"You don't have to worry about fainting when you meditate. If anyone faints while meditating, it is because of an unrelated medical condition, or forgetting to breath."


I stopped going to church for the reason being that I would consentrate on God and just pray, then I start to faint. It first happened when I was about 12 yrs old and a preist saw me and went and put water on my forehead. I was Catholic by the way. Even though now I consider myself Catholic, Babtist and Non-denominational. Any way that is why I am scared to meditate I guess. The unknown can be very scary.


But I will start trying to make sure I breath. Maybe that has been the problem all along.


I will definitely not do it will operating any heavy equipment. LMAO

 

[Hannah]

I think that we choose our gender as well as our sexual orientation before we incarnate. I don't believe that we have a specific gender on the soul-level, though we may feel a closer kinship to a particular gender.


If someone chooses to reincarnate with specific lessons to tackle, it seems to me that being gay would be right up there in terms of learning to appreciate tolerance (because so many people are NOT tolerant), to give just one small example. It can't be easy to be gay in our society, even in this day and age.


Along the same lines, when I meet or see people with handicaps or debilitating diseases, I silently appreciate and applaud their bravery. No matter what their personal reasons, they chose a difficult path with many obstacles to overcome. They may also be providing an opportunity for another soul to learn lessons. Who knows?


Even a soul who may appear to have it all by society's current definition - looks, breeding, money, education, whatever - probably has hardships or challenges that are unique and not obvious to anyone on the outside looking in.


I am usually female, but I do remember two lives where I was a male. I think I prefer to be a female but if I should choose a male lifetime next, maybe I'll still find males attractive, so I would be gay. Or maybe I'll feel terribly uncomfortable in the male body, like it's not really who I am, and I'll be transsexual. That makes sense from where I'm sitting, actually.

 

[Raptor95]

Thank you Hannah

I think that we choose our gender as well as our sexual orientation before we incarnate. I don't believe that we have a specific gender on the soul-level, though we may feel a closer kinship to a particular gender.
If someone chooses to reincarnate with specific lessons to tackle, it seems to me that being gay would be right up there in terms of learning to appreciate tolerance (because so many people are NOT tolerant), to give just one small example. It can't be easy to be gay in our society, even in this day and age.

Very will put. I see what you mean. But what if we reincarnate too early and change our mind but it is too late?


And yes there is so much intolerance in this world. Even in the good old USA.


Being gay, different races or social status should not even be an issue. But it is for a lot people even now.


I see it hard no matter what we are. To tall, to short, to fat, to skinny to light skinned or to dark skinned. Boy the list could just go on for ever. Instead of we are human and leave it at that. Yes we all have a lot to learn no matter what the lesson might be.


I do not know for sure what my lesson is, but I am getting a better idea reading peoples experiences and past lifes. I think I get it. And if I am right, maybe the lesson I think I am to learn is correct. I hope so because if not, then I am totally at a loss.

 

[Hannah]

I don't know how to explain racism, sexism, homophobia, extreme nationalism, etc. When you believe in the soul's greater purpose and you understand the whole concept of reincarnation, you get that these sorts of biases are just downright ridiculous. As far as I can tell, souls have no gender, race, sexual orientation, or national origin.


However, it may be that the various bigotries exist not by accident but by design, in order to set the stage for learning particular lessons. (That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to change it, of course.)


I suspect that you do know what your lesson is. If you think you know, you probably do. I also have an idea of what my lessons are... there's more than one this time around. I'm not sure I'm doing as well as I should be, but I will keep on plugging away at it.


Edited because I forgot to address the first part of your reply: But what if we reincarnate too early and change our mind but it is too late?


I'm no expert but I think that stillborn births and crib deaths/SIDS may be souls who changed their minds. They could also be souls who reincarnated to help someone else, and their deaths were the means to accomplish that.


I don't see time as a straight line; I see it as a constantly moving, always changing, dynamic circle. That means that there's no such thing as reincarnating too early in terms of time. But I think that someone else made a good comparison earlier when they likened reincarnating too quickly to taking too many college courses at once. I've often felt like that's what I did in this lifetime. It's my nature to forgot how awful something was to get through and to be overly ambitious in terms of what I take on... until it's too late. (I'm thinking about the Holocaust here - and Research Methods class as the parallel!) I have realized through meditation that this overly ambitious trait is not unique to my current self; it's a pattern with me. I'm not doing it next time, by the way. I need a rest.

 

[Nightrain]

I don't know how to explain racism, sexism, homophobia, extreme nationalism, etc. When you believe in the soul's greater purpose and you understand the whole concept of reincarnation, you get that these sorts of biases are just downright ridiculous. As far as I can tell, souls have no gender, race, sexual orientation, or national origin.

Before I undertake to express how certain prejudices are hard-wired in the human species, I would like to make it clear that I do not necessarily condone or support any of them. That being done, I think religious intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia and fanatic nationalism, war, and even genocide have served the practical purposes of advancing hegemony and maintaining the survival of groups since the beginning of time. One can also find these behaviors among a large variety of animals.


Thus, I believe it is hard wired in all of us; and, that it is a part of our physical nature, which must be overcome. It is in our nature to distrust strangers to our culture, and to expect certain gender-driven behaviors. It is much easier in our "civilized" culture to tolerate, than it is in others. But, we didn't get to where we are without practicing all of the above prejudices. The history of the world is written in blood and injustice, but not in spite of it. It is correct to say that souls have no gender, race, religion or nationality. But, we must recognize that every living thing on the physical plane is differentiated, and, therefore, in competition with each other for limited physical resources.

 

[Truthseeker]

It may not always seem like it, but I think we've made a lot of progress when it comes to prejudices. I think the world has made significant strides towards tolerance and equality. Is it perfect? No. But maybe it's not meant to be perfect. Prejudices seem ridiculous on a soul level, and I would agree. However, I think they are mostly learned from both our environment and our life experiences. If you are born into country A, and country A does not like country B. Chances are you would not like people from country B either. The desire to conform with your peers overrides the absurdity of the prejudice. Until the culture changes, the prejudice will exist. It also seems to be just be human nature to identify with people that are like us, and seperate ourselves from those that are different than us. It's probably a condition of the human hardwiring that cannot be changed.

 

[Sunniva]

Until the culture changes, the prejudice will exist.

I think this is a key point When thinking about this question I kept coming back something an aquaintance of mine said. She does gender research and said to me: "Gender doesn't exist, it's all something society creates." Well, obviously biological gender exists, but I think she's absolutely right otherwise. Society impose certain expectations on us from the moment we're born when it comes to being a girl or a boy. If a boy suddenly prefers playing with dolls or wants pink clothes, his parents wonders if he might be gay. If a girl is a tomboy, doesn't want to wear skirts and hates dolls, it's also weird.


Why can't a man be a real man even if he wears women's clothes and make up? Why can't a woman be a real woman if doesn't wear make up and works as a carpenter?


As a society and culture we have defined a norm and people, who 'deviate' from this norm are not considered normal. However it is important to remember that this norm was not created by nature, but by ourselves - most likely because of the reasons Nightrain mentioned.


I do think some 'gender issues' are probably past life related, but I also think that society creates a lot of issues by our rigid definitions of what it means to be a man or a woman.

 

[Truthseeker]

Those are good points Sunniva. I've done a lot of research myself on gender behavior and social expectations. It's interesting to stop and think about all things we do day-in, day-out. How many of those things do we do, not necessarily because we want to, but because we feel like we have to? It's what is expected from us. This would apply to fulfilling gender roles. Gender is interesting because it starts before we're born. While the mother's pregnant people are already asking if it is a boy or girl. From the the moment the sex is known they are treated differently. I have wondered if a boy grew up in a room decorated pink, would he learn to love pink instead of hate it?


I had to go to the mall one day with my dad. He hates going to the mall and can't understand we anyone would want to go. We were walking around and there were teenaged girl everywhere hanging out with friends and texting on their cellphones. He started complaining that he doesn't understand young girls. He doesn't understand we they love the mall, or why they're always texting, exc. He said, "When I was young we didn't waste our time at the mall, we played baseball." I said, "Yeah but you're a guy. Girls don't play baseball."


The problem is he was thinking about it from his perspective. You can't apply the logic of a 60-year-old man to a teenaged girl and be able to understand her because her life experience and social conditioning are completely different. If we took the time to put ourselves in other people's shoes, and take a moment to see the world through their eyes we'd probably greatly reduce the prejudices that exist today. There's always a reason why people do what they do, and it is usually an adaptation or response to their social environment.


Of course all of this is coming from a psychologist with a fascination with human behavior.

 

[Raptor95]

Quote from hadley: I have wondered if a boy grew up in a room decorated pink, would he learn to love pink instead of hate it?

I only have a son now 15. He was raised by me, his grandma, aunts and was around a bunch of female cousins. He is sweet, good hearted and very will mannered. But as he gets older I see so many STRONG male traits in him. Which I know he is a boy, but some times I think being that he was raised by all of us women, he would be more proon to sit and talk. But he clams up and I have to drag every bit of detail from him or settle for half a story hehee. Go figure


And when I move furniture around (often) he is like "not again". He will help with the big stuff, complaining all the way.


So maybe some is conditioned and some is just our position that we pick when coming back as male, female or dominant one way or another.


Raptor95

 

[Nightrain]

I have wondered if a boy grew up in a room decorated pink, would he learn to love pink instead of hate it?

During the past half century, most psychologists were of the tabula rasa behavioral school, which considered children's minds as being void of all conditioning from birth. Some also believed that gender-oriented behavior was purely conditioned by one's surroundings and social influences. One Dr. even went so far as to purposely raise a boy as a girl, but with disastrous results. The boy ended up being a very bitter person, and committed suicide.


Most mothers will say that their child clearly exhibited consistent gender behaviors from the very beginning, which could not have been influenced by the child's environment; and judging from our own experience, I would tend to agree. Of course, this is a very subjective opinion, and the truth can be further obscured if we believe that souls can return as a different gender than their past lives.


But, I honestly don't think that children necessarily adopt gender behaviors that are expected by their family and social environment. I suspect, instead, that they choose behaviors that they feel most comfortable with on their own because of past life experience plus their own genetic biological makeup. Certainly, later on in life, social pressures exert a great deal of influence on gender behavior.

 

[Truthseeker]

Well, I wouldn't expect boys to start playing with dolls and wearing pink sparkles.


There is a study that I can't remember all the details off the top of my head, but the jist of it was little boys being shown commericals of toys. They automatically gravitated toward playing with the toys they saw other boys playing with in the commercials regardless of what the toy was. This was supporting evidence for the idea that peer influence plays a role in acceptable play habits. They also know that hormone levels play a role in gender-typical behavior. There is evidence to support both sides, and countless studies to refer to. Either way, boys gravitating toward playing with balls and trucks isn't going to change any time soon, nor would I expect it to.


The old argument of nature vs. nurture is now considered outdated. Behavioralists today for the most part agree that it is a mixture of both. There are evolutionarily hardwired reasons men and women do what they do, but there are also cultural reasons as well.


The Tabula Rasa (blank slate) school of thought definately conflicts with any belief in reincarnation, and it is not one that I subscribe to. It seems to me hard to argue against the existance of a pre-existing personality. I know there are things about me that seem to have absolutely no origin in this life. Twin studies are always interesting. They are very useful in teaching us what is biological and what is environmental. I find it interesting when you have indentical twins who grow up in the same house and have very different personalities. You can rule out genetics because identical twins have the same genetic code. They've also been raised in the same environment so that kind of throws that out as well. This tells me that there are pre-existing conditions that help shape personality; a pre-incarnate soul's personality or past life experiences I would assume.

 

[dking777]

They automatically gravitated toward playing with the toys they saw other boys playing with in the commercials regardless of what the toy was. This was supporting evidence for the idea that peer influence plays a role in acceptable play habits. They also know that hormone levels play a role in gender-typical behavior.

I had some experience with this over the years. When my girlfriend passed away in 1980 - her spirit was coming to me in dreams and telling me about her next incarnation. If what she was telling me was to be believed (which I didn't know enough at that time to know one way or the other,) but her spirit said her next incarnation was going to be as a male.


I would sit in a pow-wow session with my young teen male friends and test their own response to this. So - it was a subject we discussed and where scratching our heads about the why of it. In dreams - this was explained to me but I could never fit this into words for my friends. The idea that a woman would want to come back as a man - fit into there model of male ego pride at the time. But if you could possibly come back as either - or, was sort of scary concept for their minds while our bodies were full of hormones and being in the middle of the mating ritual. But the idea's expressed on the thread were discussed in depth and detail and they really suprized me with their acceptance of the possiblity of.


I worked in a retail store that sold wine and beer. I had to check ID's. One day one of my friends came into the store and was talking to me. A young lady came in and she was a regular customer. I had seen her ID so I didn't ask for it. She was always flirty and I just shrugged it off. My friend flipped out at the sight of such a 'sexy' young lady flirting with me and me shrugging it off. I told him to drop it and forget it. He brought it up in one of our pow-wow sessions and was making fun of me for not being about to play the field and wouldn't be a friend enough to help him get her number. I felt I shouldn't say anything while I was on duty. I came clean because I knew he was in for a shock and it was going to blow up in his face. I told him how I had to check ID's and on the ID - she was a he. She had told me that she was a pre-op transsexual. I told my friend I didn't want him trying to get to second base and find out the hard way - what I found out the easy way. Then I asked if he still wanted his number. Of course the ridicule was in order. How he could be so turned on to a guy dressed up like a girl. He still refused to believe that it had been a guy going through the process of a sex change. It was sort of a taboo subject for the early 80's but it was becoming well known. So we all had a chance to examine what it was that turned us on and made us attracted to another human. I felt 'soul attraction' knew no gender and due to my NDE - I knew the spirit had no gender. So what role did it play in the world. We joked with my young 18 year old friend that she/he might be his soul mate looking for him and he caught sight of her too soon.


I was surprised that my friends were willing to admit that when they were young - they were sexually attracted to other guys and had to stop that sort of idea from happening. It was all a learning process to form a single attraction toward the opposite gender. It was peer related and putting pressure on others at that age to 'put others down' for keeping that attraction and not moving on. One of my friends mentioned the story of Lords of the Flies and how - if kids grew up in an all male society and made their own rules - they would develop an attraction based on something totally different than what a regular society and their peers would impose on children. One of my friends said that the whole theme of the book would change if it had been a group of 16 year old males stranded on an island.


The whole idea of a 'pre-op' where a male was preparing to snip off his own equipment terrified and horrified our male ego's back in the day. Part of the theory we did come up with it could be a 'close association' with a past life as a female that would lead a person to think they were a female trapped in a male body. Most of my friends agreed he had more courage than all of us combined because the idea of that sort of 'cut' would make us shake and tremble.


I was very surprised and actually proud of my friends when they did show a level of compassion toward the plight of his individual in their own inner struggle to embrace their own feelings and identity. My friends did feel that sexual identity was learned behavior.


DK

 

[Truthseeker]

Hi dking and thank you for your response. It sounds like you did have a special group of friends. Compassion and understand are not something that rises above in typical male conversation, especially at a younger age. I have a couple friends in this life that I have been able to have conversations with that are, for the most part, absent of protecting the male ego. I have always been thankful for those conversations because I know how rare they are.


Probably 9 times out of 10, a male conversation about a transgender is going to be of disgust or making fun of the 'freak'. Anyone in the group who feels differently is not going to let those feelings known out of fear of being ridiculed themselves. The courage it would take to go through the transgender process is not something that I had really thought of before. Not just the physical and pychological changes, but a person would almost have to build an entirely new life. So many of the people they knew would likely break ties with them because they would be uncomfortable with the situation. To be honest, I have a hard time even wrapping my head around someone putting themselves through that.


There are definately unwritten rules that go along with being male. Deviating from those rules is going to be met with undesired consiquences. Observing girls and the way they interact with the world and the way the world interacts with them. I know that if I were to be female in the next life that there would be a very different set of unwritten rules there for me to observe. I would probably be as obedient to them as most others. Of course it's hard to know what the social trends will be decades from now.


I like sports. I like to watch them and I like to play them. Sometimes I might wonder to myself if I like them because I am biologically prone to liking them because I am male, or am I socially conditioned to like them because that's how I was raised. Then again, I wonder if, in the year 2010, gender even factors into it at all. I was at a baseball game last night and there were just as many girls there watching the game as guys. However, I don't know they were there because they really like baseball or if they just think the guys on the field playing are hot. :laugh:

 

[dking777]

Hi dking and thank you for your response. It sounds like you did have a special group of friends. Compassion and understand are not something that rises above in typical male conversation, especially at a younger age.

Yes, I have been trying to go back and look at the contributing factors involved in that compassionate side coming out of us. Of course, I was in mourning and had sought advice for my grief. Someone had recommended that I had to find friends I could trust with my most intimate feelings in an effort to sort through my grief. So a part of our pow-wow sessions were part grief counselling. One of my friends had lost his Mother, so it was what he needed as well.


Of course - I had a scrapbook with all the headlines about the double homicide case that claimed the life of two innocent girls - so my friends knew the facts behind what I was dealing with. Her spirit was haunting me in more ways than one.


The rule was - anyone could bring anything to the table and not fear being ridiculed for their thoughts or their feelings. We had created a safe environment. We locked the doors and said the world was outside and not welcome to impose itself or it's beliefs upon us.


One of the topics we spoke about with an open mind was reincarnation. The whole thing was 'what if.' Regardless of our beliefs personally - we brought the subject up over and over again. So I do feel that being about to keep an open mind about the 'what if' of reincarnation helped paved the way to their own inner compassionate heart. We identified that we were still being conditioned to be prejudice against certain things in society - but the challenge we imposed on ourselves was to examine the why and what of it.


I was getting 'psychic' messages from five friends who were in the spirit realm. My round table pow-wow friends had all seen things that led them to know there were spirits hanging around my house. That helped open up the minds of my friends to listen and say 'what if.' But one of the things the 'spirits' were telling me that what you hate in this life time - is what you could become in the next life time. The Golden rule in all of religion is to love your neighbor. I was being told by the spirits that if your hate was severe and extreme - you would have to walk a mile in the shoes of those you hated in an effort to view the world from their eyes.


I had learned that the young man who shot the two girls was dealing with his own 'sexual identity' conflict. There was information that led everyone to believe he was gay. I was trying to keep myself from hating him for being a murderer. There was also a danger of hating all gay people because of it. The spirits were telling me to be careful with my hate. What I was told that if I came to hate a whole group of people based on my own mind - it could led me to leading 10 future lives as a gay person to get over the hatred I had accumulated in one life time.


My young friends took that 'possibility' very seriously because they were at a stage of monkey see - monkey do. They were being taught to despise gay people. But the idea of reincarnation brought these theories to the table and was able to open up the door to a more compassionate heart.


So - I am looking back and seeing how the topic of reincarnation had it benefits when it took root in the young minds of my friends. Just the 'what if' of it.


DK

 

[TLD]

Interesting debate!


Re gender roles...I think we have gone too far away from them actually to the point where it is not actually freeing. Don't get me wrong I'm not against a little girl wanting to be a tomboy, or a boy wanting to play with dolls. But by saying, women and men are the same we deny our ability to fully express ourselves as our specific gender. I have no desire to be good at guy stuff (cars, lifting heavy objects, talking sports statistics) I would rather fully embrace female stuff (being a wife and mother, keeping a housee and garden) but admitting that today, especially in my sociodemographic group is unacceptable.


Regarding people being homosexual...I kind of think people who are homophobic in the past life come back homosexual in the next. Not as punishment but to learn the error of their ways. At least that's one thought

 

[bamboobuddha]

I think that we choose our gender as well as our sexual orientation before we incarnate. I don't believe that we have a specific gender on the soul-level, though we may feel a closer kinship to a particular gender.
If someone chooses to reincarnate with specific lessons to tackle, it seems to me that being gay would be right up there in terms of learning to appreciate tolerance (because so many people are NOT tolerant), to give just one small example. It can't be easy to be gay in our society, even in this day and age.


Along the same lines, when I meet or see people with handicaps or debilitating diseases, I silently appreciate and applaud their bravery. No matter what their personal reasons, they chose a difficult path with many obstacles to overcome. They may also be providing an opportunity for another soul to learn lessons. Who knows?

well said :angel: this really almost brought tears to my eyes. in this life i am a lesbian who works with mentally disabled adults, and i couldn't have said it better myself. thank you!


:clapping:


-kat

 

[Truthseeker]

Hi TLD. As someone who is fascinated by human behavior, I spend a lot of time asking the question of 'why' people do what they do. In spite of indulging my personal curiousities, I don't necessarily condemn what would be classified as traditional roles. There is certainly nothing wrong with women embracing being feminine, and men embracing being masculine. The feminine and the masculine exist for a reason. They serve important purposes, and one is not any greater than the other. I guess my feeling is if a girl would rather play basketball than go to the mall, that's OK. But if she would rather go get her hair and nails done, that's cool too.

 

[dking777]

I have a funny story about the ‘gender issue’ relating to my NDE at the age of 18. I was ‘recalling’ the ‘spiritual trip’ outside my body with a teen aged mind while struggling with the amnesia it left me with. I was perfectly normal in my thoughts as far as semantic memories. My autobiographical history was lost in the process. (Episodic) It was like I was reincarnated but keep the learning I had acquired up to that point in my life with no memory of personal identity.


Guys might relate to this more so than the gals. At the age of 18, the most prized possession we guys feel we own – is our ‘jewels.’ My instinct – we learn from a very early age to protect the area of our ‘jewels’ at all costs.


I could recall parts of the car crash that caused the NDE. I can remember driving at 125 MPH (a typical male teenage thing as well.) I could remember the car going at a direction that took it toward a ditch. I could remember rolling around until it came to a stop. I was still alive when it came to a stop but lost vital signs from the injuries shortly after. It was a blink of an eye as far as the transition outside my body. I was still in a human frame of mind. (Either that – or – when I was recalling the sequence of events later, I attached human thoughts to it.) But I felt very human and didn’t know I wasn’t still alive and in my physical body. I could recall shaking and scratching my head trying to figure out how I had survived that crash and felt perfectly healthy and normal. I started thinking back on the roll trying to figure out how I got out of the car and was standing at a distance of about 25 feet away looking at the wreck. At one point I could recall how instinct had kicked in while I was rolling and I had been trying to put my hands down to protect my ‘jewels.’ I felt everything was alright and I was looking for injuries. I wanted to make sure I had protected my jewels and that the equipment was a-okay. Much to my shock and horror – IT was gone! I freaked out. The glass had been flying around me so – I thought glass had done some surgical work in the process and sliced off my prized possession. And being a teenager - I was thinking - "How the heck am I going to explain this to my Mom and Dad. My Gawd, I am never going to live this down. For the rest of my life, I am going to have to hear my family putting me down about the night I lost my jewels."


I was going to start looking for them hoping I could get it sewed back on.


Then I heard a psychic voice telling me that what I was looking for was still in the car and still attached to the ‘other body:’ the body that I was no longer in. That is when I started realizing I was dead and I was a ghost. I calmed down about my missing ‘jewels’ after that. I had watched enough Casper cartoons to make me think that ghosts didn’t have any sort of gender. (I could never tell if Casper was a girl or a guy anyway.) I thought if Casper can get along with out ‘its’ jewels – then so could I. I was feeling kind of sorry for myself – because I had sort of gotten used to having them jewels around.


For years, I told that story to my peers. (Other teen males.) I told them they better get ready for the shock of their lives. Dying was the easy part. The shock comes when you look down and find your prized possession didn't make the trip with you to the other side. I gave a whole new meaning to the 'fear of death' to my young male friends. LMAO


So from my brief (and eternal) moment outside my body - I learned you don't have a gender you associate with once you leave the human body.


DK

 

[dking777]

I have a funny story about the ‘gender issue’ relating to my NDE at the age of 18.

I have had many NDE's. I have to clarify that my 1978 NDE was totally different from all the others. I have different categories now that I can look back on all of them in hindsight and compare them. This one belongs in a category related to six others of this type. My web site deals with the '2nd' one of this category that occurred at the age of six. These seven "NDE" are all similar in that - the 'silver' cord was broken. I have no idea how many NDE's I had due to a cardiac condition from the age of six to the age of 18. There was a loss of vital signs - and it was the first stages of death, but the cord stayed attached. On this side - a doctor would have pronounced death but there was still an attachment to the physical body - so it was more akin to an out of body experience that can and does happen at sleep.


Each one carries a different level or height within the 'transition.' In all the others - I keep a 'duplicate image' of the physical body. I had my last full blown NDE at the age of 28 and when I found myself out side the body - the body I was in was a mirrored image of the physical body. The same thing when I was six. It was an exact duplicate image of my six year old body. There would be a transition in the other 'six of the seven' were my spirit would radiate back into the 'soul body' that was without gender. It would take a number of sequences to radiate to that higher frequency and 'shed' the duplicate image of the physical body. When I was a child, I called that duplicate 'image' - my long johns. This 'spiritual image' which was a duplicate of my physical body was something all my relatives reported seeing (from time to time) leaving my body when I had a cardiac seizure. The sight of that was not as shocking as the sight of my spirit back in my 'soul body.' That is when I would refer being in my 'naked body' because I would not have any clothes on - and I would be without a gender identity.


When my relatives described seeing me - they would describe me as wearing the same clothes I had on in the bed. They were asking me how I did that. It would stun them - but wouldn't shock them like the other body. It was too hard on their minds and they started preferring to call it their 'imagination' because it wasn't a physical image and they couldn't explain how they were seeing that image of me. I gave up trying to explain things to them after the age of 8. Some of my relatives were very superstitious and their minds couldn't handle the mystical aspect.


So - it was only during this NDE that I was sort of shocked by the sight of my 'spirit' back in the soul body so fast. I didn't have time to make my own 'mental adjustments' prior to reacting to that shocking sight myself.


There was a reason the transition happened so fast and that is another mystery that is hard to put into verbal language.


So - not every passing may carry that sudden shock and jolt of waking up on the other side and finding oneself in a 'genderless' body. You may have a slow process to have a gentle transition.


But it was a funny story I liked telling when I only had a limited memory of my own mystical experiences as a teenager. I would have all my friends grasping their jewels and gulping.


DK

 

[firebird]

New clothes required for new tasks

I do not want to offend anyone. I am all the way for freedom of sexuality. But since it is a hard life to go thru, that is why I have had this question for a long time. But I was afraid to ask it.
If someone comes back of an opposite sex from the recent PL. could that make them feel that they were born in the wrong body? Or be attracted to same sex? Maybe they were reincarnated to soon after their death. I know that we are born to be who we are, But still???


Me just curious :freak:

Hi, I've seen a few examples where I believe this was the case. I've also seen cases where there has been a gender change b/w lifetimes and it seems not to be an issue at all for that person. So why is it for some and not for others?


I also don't think the short time span between lives has anything to do with gender acceptance. I do wonder if it isn't really the gender switch that is the issue for 'some' people, but rather the lessons and tasks which need to be dealt with in this lifetime that are really what makes living and accepting their new gender difficult. Could it be that the tasks they set themselves to handle in this lifetime are supposed to be dealt with differently this time around and/or from a different perspective, which is best or only done in a body of a different gender? Maybe they're having difficulties achieving these because they still want to do things like they have done them before. Now is an actor on stage going to best portray the role of king if he is still wearing the garments of a pauper from his previous engagement ....