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Japanese Past Lives (merged)

Nobutada

Nobutada

Daimyo of Mito
Had a guided online regression today, and was wondering about something...

Found out from the regression that I was a poor land-owning samurai in Shimabara, Japan, and took part in the Christians' uprising there in 1637-38. There were many important figures I'd met in that life, even a few Europeans...however, one person who has me confused is the person who was apparently my wife. The images of her that I got before the uprising and the images of the person who I think was her at battle at the very end of the uprising (when it was crushed) seem like they're the combined impressions of two different people. As far as anyone here knows, is it possible that my mind merged my wife with another person-- perhaps her sister or a close friend? This has really got me confused.

--N.
 
was it like a hollogram over your wife, as if you saw two different people but one soul?
 
Hello :)

When it's about my own past life I don't remember all (who would?),
sometimes I remember this, then that.
When I dream a past life dream the setting is most of all the same, and I hardly dream new things.
But when I use guided meditation the perspective changes,
and I see totally different things.
Regression tapes are another story, they're able to get me in a relaxed state, but I hardly get in touch with a past life.
Listening to Finkelstein always brings me to a medieval town in the dessert, always...
I never had past life dreams about a dessert,
I also don't feel any emotional connection, at least not yet.

I think that different regression techniques can lead you to different (parts of) past lives.
So you've seen probably another part of your past life.
And it's very well possible you've had more than one woman or girlfriend in the past,
not only the one you've married.
She also could've been a sister or a cousin who looked like your wife but you didn't notice before.

Curious Girl.
 
Hi,

Why do you think they might have been two different people? I ask because an uprising would be an extremely intense emotional and physical experience. Even without something like that happening, people can change a lot even over a short period of time, to different personalities and whatnot, things that were underlying coming to the surface, or particular traits being changed or beaten down.
 
Originally posted by Feech
Why do you think they might have been two different people?
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Sorry, I should've explained-- the first time I saw the end of the uprising was in a "vision"-- and I saw one person who I think was BarbaraSheridan (who was at Shimabara during the uprising), getting shoved/thrown to the ground by an enemy soldier.

But, when I had the regression, I saw Hana (my wife), who I definitely felt a deeper connection to, in the same position, in roughly the same place-- only thing was, she was thrown to the ground and dragged away as she reached out to me with one hand. Plus, I saw both of them before and after the uprising, and in both cases, they don't look exactly the same. So my guess is they were friends or sisters or somethng of that sort.

On a side note, when I did a drawing of Hana last night, I realized she looked a lot like Midori, who I was married to in the late 1860s. Plus, I realized something else-- Hana died in early 1638 in the domain of Shimabara, and I met Midori in early 1863 in the district of the city of Kyoto known as Shimabara. The numbers and place names are the same...

--N.
 
Hi again,

So, in that case, could it have been that the same general thing did happen to each of them? Perhaps you witnessed a lot of this sort of thing during the end of the uprising and saw it happen to both of them? On the other hand, could the vision prior to the regression have indicated a link between those two, or a specific symbolic meaning for you? So that when you saw what happened with your wife, it might have more meaning in a symbolic sense for some reason? For instance, the vision could have been a sort of informative picture rather than a direct memory? Just guessing. I've had people "send" to me in various unrealistic situations for themselves, to indicate something. Not to say the event is unrealistic, but that it might not have happened to the person you saw in the vision. Instead she might have been indicating a direct link between herself and Hana. But, perhaps it did happen physically to each of them. In Hana's case you were there, and in the case of the other woman perhaps you were or perhaps you weren't, depending on whether the vision specified that. Sorry to hear about your wife's and your experience. :(
 
Feech,

Can you explain a little more what you mean by this:

Just guessing. I've had people "send" to me in various unrealistic situations for themselves, to indicate something.
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I'm the friend Nobutada mentioned earlier. I haven't had any detailed memories or visions but I've seen "shadowy" people and places that fit in very well with some things I've found out since then about the Shimabara uprising Nobutada mentioned.

Are you saying that it's possible for someone to project their experiences or just themselves into another person's situation without meaning to?
 
Hi Barbara,

"Are you saying that it's possible for someone to project their experiences or just themselves into another person's situation without meaning to?"

I feel that's certainly possible, but I was referring to deliberately appearing in a different form or outfit or action than what was "real", in order to make a point, some way to symbolically indicate something the receiver had not been getting. I also find that some people will insinuate themselves into a send on purpose, and try to appear like someone else, for various motives (wish fulfillment, attention, and once or twice something darker). What I was talking about here though was, for example, some person appearing in a particular pose or outfit that would indicate something about themselves, or about the receiver of the image, that is not directly literally true from the image but associatively might give the true message. If it's something you can't get easily by feel, or if you've had a hard time getting a message, sometimes someone might try a literal approach to it, which can then be taken away from the literal image and applied to something which you know makes sense for that individual. Something which requires symbolic rather than literal application.
 
I also find that some people will insinuate themselves into a send on purpose, and try to appear like someone else, for various motives (wish fulfillment, attention, and once or twice something darker)
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On purpose? *stunned* I wouldn't have though such a thing could be done!

Shows you how clueless I am--and at my age that's embarrassing ;)
 
Hmmm... now that I think about it... I only know they were doing it on purpose metaphysically, so that, if they didn't know they were doing it on another level, I wouldn't know... does that make sense? Sometimes the things I say make sense only to me. :P But yeah, on purpose. One way or another. As opposed to accidentally, where they're more apologetic than sneaky if you figure it out and ask (metaphysically ask, that is). I've had accidental links to my sister, and I always apologize when we figure out what happens. The last thing she needs right now is my past life junk! Oh well. Sometimes unintended (consciously) connections are all for the better because of the support.
 
Tanabata and Anniversary

Hi everyone.

July 7th was "Tanabata", the Star Festival, in Japan. That's the date that the two celestial lovers, Orihime and Hikoboshi, are reunited (I think it's a convergence of the two stars that symbolize them). So what people in Japan do is that they write wishes on slips of paper and tie them to bamboo branches. Thing is, I just found out today for sure that it was July 7th...and on the 7th, I tripped over a sidewalk as I passed by a bamboo grove, almost like I was _meant_ to stop and look.

Today, though, as I passed by the same grove, I stopped and touched the branches. And for a moment, I felt my 1860s life, and my wife/soulmate, Midori, was at my side, her hand touching mine as I touched the bamboo branch...

What's darkly ironic is that this is also the anniversary of my death in battle outside the walls of Nagaoka Castle...

In the words of Gibran Khalil Gibran, I want to greet Midori with "tears and laughter"...

Also in the words of the same poet/writer...

"Oh, how cruel is man's ignorance!"

--N.
 
Nobutada San,

Do not let your desires get the best of you. Strive for the Buddhist idea of desirelessness.

-Buntaro yori
 
Buntaro-san:

This is one of the few areas in my life where mu-shin (no-mind) feels incredibly difficult. If I know I'm meant to find her again, how can I absolutely, 100% keep myself from desiring that which is there, yet unseen for the time being? However, in terms of what you said, I think that the words of the first Tokugawa shogun, Ieyasu-sama, are a comfort-- "Forbearance is the basis of length of days."

--N.
 
I know how you feel. I guess that the idea that you WILL meet her someday can give you some feeling of happiness, even though the anticipation can be disheartening at times.
 
Okay, you probably won't want to hear this, but how do you know she's going to reincarnate as your lover again? What if she's a man this time around or is already married to someone else, or is meant to return as one of your children?
 
Originally posted by Sushi
Okay, you probably won't want to hear this, but how do you know she's going to reincarnate as your lover again? What if she's a man this time around or is already married to someone else, or is meant to return as one of your children?
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Because I know -- and I've had dreams and visions that are definitely not past, but future-- I've "seen" her and myself, in this life-- our marriage, our first child, the two of us visiting my family. I've seen what she'll look like after 20 years of marriage. I've even seen my mother speaking to her mother. And this is the same person who's appeared to me in all these visions of the past-- at least, the same kindred spirit. I don't know exactly what she looks like, but I know she's going to be my lover again. And in a way, she already is...

However, the best thing to do, as Buntaro-san so wisely pointed out, is to try my hardest to live life with the "spirit of no spirit", or mu-shin. It's not good to obsess over anything. As the Old Testament says, "To everything there is a season..." Or, once again, as Tokugawa Ieyasu-sama said (or is believed to have said), "If the nightingale does not sing, I shall wait until she opens her lips."

--N.
 
If you have had a psychic premonition about a male - female relationship in this life, that is all the better. However, as you have noted, it is all the bigger chance to get all upset over it in the here and now.

I had a girlfriend earlier in this life, and as it turned out, she was my daughter in a previous life. I had to work out the different roles - just because she was my daughter before did not mean that we had to have a romantic relationship in this life. As a matter of fact, I broke it off in this life because she was too immature. Maybe she was repeating too much of the last life...?
 
Perhaps it is just not time yet to meet her. The good thing is, you will know her the moment you see her :)

The first time I danced with my husband, on the day I met him, I knew this was the man I was going to marry. We are absolute opposites ... and not someone I would normally have thought to go after.. However, we have been married 23 years. Unfortunately, that relationship is about to end ...but that is because of life choices he has made.

So, I feel she is out there, and you two will find each other, and then you will get to meet that third soul you have seen, that of your child. It will be wonderful., I can assure you that :)

Good luck,
Mama2HRB
 
Nobutada,


You said you have 'seen' your marriage......did you see yourself in that vision also? Can you make a guess what age you were/would be at that time? That might give some clue as to how long you will have to wait until you meet her.


Eevee
 
Hi Eevee :D

I did see myself in the vision I had of the wedding-- and from what I can tell, it'll definitely take place before I turn 30. My guess is I was about 24 or so, but I'm not sure...

Thanks for reminding me to look at it that way :D

--N.
 
More on desirelessness, "mushin", and equanimity:

~~~

Zen Master Hakuin's Equanimity

The Zen Master Hakuin (1686-1769) travelled extensively to learn from other masters. When he was 32 years old, he returned to the Shoin-ji, the temple in his home town of Hara, in present-day Shizuoka Prefecture, Japan. Here he devoted himself to teaching a growing number of disciples. Hakuin was praised by his neighbors as a teacher living an exemplary life.

A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. One day without warning, her parents discovered that she was pregnant.

This made her parents angry. The girl would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment, she named Hakuin as the father.

In great anger the parents went to the Zen Master and scolded him in front of all his students. All Hakuin would say was “Is that so?”

After the baby boy was born, it was entrusted to Hakuin's care. By this time he had lost his reputation. His disciples have left him. However Hakuin was not disturbed, and enjoyed taking care of the little boy. He obtained milk and other essentials the boy needed from his neighbors.

A year later, the girl-mother couldn't stand it any longer. She confessed the truth to her parents— that the real father of the boy was not Hakuin but a young man working in the local fishmarket.

The father and mother of the girl went to Hakuin at once. They asked his forgiveness and apologized profusely to get the boy back.

Although Hakuin loved the child as his own, he was willing. In giving up the boy, all he said was: “Is that so?”

— Edited from Paul Reps, Zen Flesh, Zen Bones (1957), p. 22

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/2o2bl4/unplanned_pregnancy_and_buddhism/
 
Longing for the Old Past

It's funny...in recent days, I find myself longing more and more for the way things used to be in Japan. It was bad enough that the old order was "destroyed" in 1868, but the one that replaced it was also mostly re-structured in 1945...and yet, considering my time as both a samurai in the 1860s, and as a fighter pilot in the 1940s, I find myself longing for those old days when everything seemed so clear and yet...not.

Especially when I see these TV shows showing what Japan is "really" like nowadays...I get really disgusted. I keep telling people, "This is NOT the real Japan! Tokyo is NOT the real Japan!", but I feel like I'm a lone voice among the shifting sands of time.

This one anime series I watch, called "Sakura Wars", seems to have the deepest resonance for me. It's set in Japan in the 1910s, and when I watch it, I feel so at home with the situations and the settings, the mix of old and new culture...especially a society where one could live in harmony with those two with peace of mind-- one could still wear a kimono, and yet also travel in a streetcar or watch a movie. It makes me feel like I'm on the verge of learning more about my life in pre-WWII and WWII Japan...but I haven't quite uncovered a great deal of information as yet.

I dunno...maybe I'm just rambling. I'm fully aware of the facts about World War II, but that society, that mix of old and new, predates the seizing of power by the militarists, so I am in no way saying I support what they did.

It's just that...when I see these westerners obsessing over "Tokyo, Tokyo, Tokyo," I just get so disgusted. I don't care about American fast-food joints, or where all the foreigners hang out...I want to see the country as it was! I want to live peacefully among the Japanese people, and become "re-acquainted" with their true spirit. I'm not sure...am I expressing myself correctly? I'm sure others of you have similar moments...what do you do when that happens?

At any rate, thanks for listening to me, everyone.

--N.
 
I think a lot of Americans interested in Japanese culture dislike the "McDonald-ification" of Japan. I certainly feel that way. I have a strong dislike for horizontal Japanese writing (practical reasons excepted). I have an equally strong dislike for loanwords and won't use them unless there is no Japanese word for them.
 
I feel the same about the language, myself...for example-- why do you have to call something a "shinboru" (symbol) when you can call it by the proper Japanese word of "Shirushi"?!

Of course, I can't bring back the past. But I can allow it to live on, like the echoes of the fragrance of cherry blossoms long past, in my heart...

--N.

P.S. Whoa...waitwaitwait....did I just write that last sentence?! As usual, I realize that there is indeed something deeper here...
 
Okay, this is really starting to get odd...the picture of the floor, in the attached JPG, that the 2 girls are sleeping on-- looking at that floor makes me want to cry, for some reason. It's definitely something from my WWII life...soundtrack.jpg
 
I think so. This picture is actually of the floor from the Imperial Theater in that series I mentioned-- "Sakura Wars". Something about that entire theater deeply resonates with me...just this typical, early 1920s-style theater, with high, tall windows, the black and white tiled floor, and staircases with gleaming banisters...

It feels as though some important things happened for me there. Shouldn't be too hard to find records and even pictures of a place like that...

--N.
 
I've been feeling that way lately... I don't like the way everything has changed to the places where I was in my past lives.

One of the places has long been deserted. Maybe millions of years deserted. I don't know why it was deserted but my spirit guide helped take me there in a memory of it.

The other place was Pompeii and Italy, as it was about 2000 years ago. I can remember it as having beautiful countrysides, in the north as well as the south, but now all Italy is famous for is the northern football clubs. I was there when Vesuvius blew in 79AD. I had returned from travelling around to places like Greece and Egypt. Sometimes I wish I could go back because one of my memories is standing on this ship as I head across the sea when I travelled and the water seems like gold in the setting sun. It is very peaceful.
 
...I hate imperialism...and westrenizing things...it figures...considering I am Hijikata-sama.

I mean, america forced open Japan's ports back in the 19th century Japan, as Nobutada knows.. America sees something they aren't getting and they whine about it. Japan didn't have a right to keep their ports closed to trade?

I long for the days of bushido, the days when walking around with daisho was relished...now swords are banned in Japan (unless they are artwork). I miss our missions and our protection of Kyoto. Even though in my past life I died because of war, I want to be there again...

I miss Okita, Kondo-sama, Saitou, and the rest of my group, my family. I miss the flower vendors selling fresh flowers in the Spring. I miss the vast countryside and the fresh air. I miss the days of the tatami mats and the wooden sandals. I miss the bokken I used to train with in the mornings...

I miss the importance of our patrols. I miss the recruitment period when Okita-kun tested the hopeful's skill. I miss the drinks with Saitou and when he would request plain soba. I miss the time when I would bring Izuminokami into the swordsmith Kanesada-dono for sharpening and polishing...I miss the clear Kyoto sky and the blooming lillies...I miss the full moon nights of Mibu...
 
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