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Hi John,

I don't see how you would have enough information to say: "There are no [other] pantheons of gods . . ." John Tat has no knowledge other than what he has received from BB, who is very stingy about what he lets you know. And, I have no reason at this point to believe that BB ever had any knowledge of, or reason to have any knowledge of, any other "gods" other than those he worshiped. I.e., his knowledge is very circumscribed when it comes to anything outside of Egypt and the ancient sun gods. Your belief is that they were the only "real" gods, but that appears to be merely a supposition on your part fueled, at least in part, by your desire that there not be any other "gods" but the ones that you worship. I.e., your knowledge is BB's knowledge, and BB's knowledge is deep, but not wide. He knows a lot about things that pertain to ancient Egypt and the sun gods, but I have no reason to believe that he has much knowledge at all of other things, including whether there are real "gods" other than the ones he personally knows.

Also, I note that you say nothing about my comment on your own pending "annihilation" (?). I am not sure what else to call it as you disclaim any kind of continuity of what and who you are at all after you have done your "duty" and enabled the return of BB. I will repeat my earlier observations--I will be very sorry to see you disappear from existence. At least I know that Ken is still in existence, having shed the amnesia that afflicts almost all of us in this world. He has also shed the role he played in this life, but he is still around. On the other hand, I have no reason to welcome the coming of BB, which I have been assured by you will bring conquest and (I am convinced) misery for most touched by it. However, my real grudge against BB is that he only comes by virtue of your own extinction, or at least that is what you seem to indicate. I still think that you are the better of the two, and certainly as much to be missed as Ken. I cannot say the same about BB.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Hi S&S Through BB my pure spiritual self I know there are no other pantheons of gods ... that may be difficult for you to accept but what it is.... is what it is
I have always said all physical entities die never to return leaving there spiritual selves/souls/higher selves to continue on.. that's far more than knowledge its logical unless you believe in physical reincarnation which we all know is impossible and does not happen.... Next time for John Tat will be different to some extent.. by entering the light while the physical John Tat is still alive will have effects that don't normally happen .. what they are don't know .. all the same the real me my pure spiritual self BB will continue on... that's all that matters.... BB is pure with our god's in every way which is important... Misery can take many forms and as you know it does...Misery can be both inflicted by others and also self inflicted... If you are given two choices and one takes you to a level of existence you could have never imagined and the other brings you misery then that is your choice.. your misery is self inflicted
As is believed in most religions .. the believers will be rewarded by there gods....and that will take them to a different level of existence and that will take them to a level of skills and abilities they could could have never imagined
The believers in other gods will be left to survive as best they can in there old ways with there diseases and short life spans
They will not share in the fruits and technologies of the gods which amongst many many things includes.... travelling within the light to the stars.. they will never do such things
In time the believers in other gods will slowly come to understand who the real and true gods are .. and after a couple of generations will have disappeared as the new generations look to a better life for themselves and there children...that's how it will happen after the initial invasion .... and the sun gods will be back as they always have been... the only real and true gods

All The Best
 
Hi John,

1. BB isn't omniscient, so he could just purely be wrong. To me, BB is just an interesting witness of things that happened a long time ago. Consequently, I don't give him a lot of credence when it comes to things about which he would not (in the normal course of things) know anything as an ancient Egyptian. If it is something controversial, I am more likely to trust him when I can find additional corroborating evidence for things he says. (This goes along with my training in the sciences as well as my training in law). I found such evidence in a source acceptable to me when I found out about the divine counsel. In that regard, it could be that you or I are looking at this from the wrong end. All the beings I referred to as constituting different pantheons may all just be more "sun gods". Different groups of "sun gods" may have interacted with different people groups in different places. Alternately, the same group of sun gods that came to Egypt may have played tourist and gone to different people groups and created a reputation for themselves worldwide. BB tells you that the people of Egypt fell away from the true worship. The same may be true elsewhere, and may even have produced even more divergent results.

2. I think all here believe there is a component of themselves that is continuing (or we wouldn't be here). However, you present a special case. This is something that has come up before. You seem to be the equivalent of a split spirit personality. The spiritual "you" from before (BB) is not the same as the spiritual you that developed afterwards in his absence. Neither of them is the physical John Tat, who is the combination of an ongoing spirit with a particular physical body in a particular culture, time, etc. However, the spiritual "you" that developed in BB's absence (and is currently manifesting through John Tat) is much more John Tat than BB is. The current spiritual you is worth preserving IMO. In some respects I actually wish that you and BB could merge. I believe he could really use your humanity and compassion--traits which seem to be sadly lacking in him. The two of you might, to my mind at least, definitely be better than either of you alone. You would have BB's knowledge, and he would have your best and kindest qualities. Anyhow, that continues to be my opinion. Though, if I was to choose either as the one I'd like to survive, it would definitely be the one who developed after BB got out of the way.

3. Your discussion of the results of the sun gods' return is interesting. However, I find it doubtful. I find it doubtful because BB, the proud and imperious product of the sun gods, doesn't seem in the least to be the product of compassion and goodness, or in the least likely to act with kindness and compassion to anyone who got in his way. Whatever flows from such a source is likely to be proud and tainted with cruelty and imperiousness. Once again, just my opinion. But he makes me far more likely to expect brutality when/if the sun gods return. I hope that they are kinder and better than he is, but he is a bad advertisement on their behalf.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I'm sure they are not looking to conquer the world when BB returns ... They have no need to .. they will put in place a number of series if events all of which will have outcomes... that's how it happens
BB and the others and I'm sure the sun gods still see Africa as home and is very likely where they will go first... Many of the peoples throughout Africa will embrace them and everything that will be offered to them.. These first people to embrace the sun gods will accomplish many fantastic things ..It will establish a world of not rich and poor but those who have and those who don't have which is very different
The question is ...as the series of events unfold and have outcomes how long will it before the believers in other gods become weary of waiting for there gods to intervene and save them?. As I said only a couple of generations at most.. very likely much less than one for many of them

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I note that you focused on the one thing you wished to focus on. I think this is not the first time you have done this in terms of my questions, but I will not press the issues I have previously raised. Your assurance comes from a high view of the sun gods, and nothing else really matters to you I suppose. Or, at least, this cancels out or overrides other possible concerns. As a person of faith, I can understand this. Also, I think you are desperate for a change from the world as it is now--something that will alleviate the pure ugliness of much of life in this world. I understand your discontent. The world of nature is green and beautiful where I am at this time of year, but the human world is something else entirely. Some over-romanticize nature, only to be reminded that "nature is red in tooth and claw." Too often this is true of us as well--literally as well as figuratively.

Anyhow, I think you are incorrect in terms of where you have placed your trust, but I think your heart is good. I hope for the best for John Tat, though I have a great concern that what you seek to accomplish is not what you think it is, and will not bring to pass what you hope for.

Cordially,
S&S
 
HI S&S .... IMO where the confusions you feel come from are what are the perceptions of right and wrong.. and.. good and evil are in the physical by physical entities I can only go by what BB is of how it is the spiritual...As far as I can tell BB has no such emotions.. which in my uneducated ways of understandings they are physical emotional issues and feelings not spiritual To him there are only situations that requires a certain approach and/or actions where right and wrong.. good and evil plays no part in his decisions what to do . I know he has unfinished business with some situations and countries which he will approach in his own ways
If they are the sorts of things you are asking about then my answers will always be .... whatever BB does is for his gods making them the right and correct decisions for him

All The Best
 
Hi John,

There is not much I can say in response. What you have said is what you have said. It speaks for itself, both about what you have determined to be and support, and what BB is and is willing to do. The important thing from my standpoint is that you and he will not be bound by any idea of good and evil, right and wrong, in terms of what you do. You will do what you will do and he will do what he will do. And, as the saying goes, may God have mercy on your souls. (And on the rest of us for that matter).

I may have more later, but for the moment I can't think of any more to say. If you have further information you'd like to share, I'm always interested.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Last night while meditating it came to me that others have not come from where I have come from so it's not possible for them to understand what I talked about last time about good and evil
IMO its important to understand how the modern concepts of good and evil came about and if they are right or very much flawed
Today's physical concepts of good and evil are in the context of human evolution very new concepts...From memory the modern concepts of good and evil began around 400BC long after BB went into hibernation.. When I say began I mean very much in its infancy
It was not until St Augustine who died in 430AD and Thomas Aguivas who died in 1274AD did the modern concepts of good and evil begin to be formulated.. then over the centuries Christian theologians developed the concepts of good and evil we believe today.. The point here is... who can say with complete authority that the modern concepts of good and evil are right or wrong? If it's claimed god is the authority then that has no basis of fact... I will give just one example of why
Was the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan an act of good or evil? if the bombs were dropped on you then yes it was an act of evil ... if you were the ones who dropped the bombs then it was not otherwise you would have not dropped them,... What makes these types of events even worse and complicated is/was those who manned the planes were blessed by there god through the priests of there god
This also highlights the flawed concepts of good and evil
Even today America sees China as evil and China sees America as evil based on the modern concepts of good and evil which in many cases is dependent upon which side you are on... a very very dangerous situation highlighting the flawed concepts of good and evil
When I/BB was a member of the tribes in both Europe and Africa I had no concepts of good and evil.. there was only what had to be done..
During my incarnations into Ancient Egypt there was Ma a t which was balance and chaos... very different and nothing like the modern concepts of good and evil.. If you have not lived both these ancient concepts and modern concepts then its not possible to understand the differences between the concepts and which is better.. and why BB has his different ways and why he has no concepts about the modern concepts of good and evil
The following are just a few of my conclusions from living both ... Todays concepts of good and evil are very flawed ...They allow modern man the excuses to impose brutality upon others ... What is good is good and what is evil is bad and should be destroyed I'm sure many American's think that about China and many Chinese think that about America not a good thing . Chaos and balance is a far better,accurate and safer way of determining what is going on not good and evil
There is a better way and it will come... From the chaos balance will be restored.. The sun gods must have balance
When BB returns nobody has or will have the right to judge his beliefs and his actions with there warped concepts of good and evil
 
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Hi John,

You have said that the sun gods were born/incarnated via human mothers. Who contributed the "male" seed to fertilize the egg involved in this conjunction? I'm looking at this from the standpoint of one of the sun gods incarnating into the fetus in the normal manner of human incarnation, where a spirit enters into the fertilized egg to be born.

Alternately, if that is not what happened, was this what is called an "immaculate" conception as is said of Jesus = one accomplished somehow without a human male being involved? Also, once incarnate, did the sun gods ever father children by human mothers?

I'm just curious and trying to understand how they accomplished the original incarnation via human mothers and also whether they (once they were incarnate) had children by human mothers. No disrespect is intended. All of the tales of ancient gods speak of such unions. This is what the term "demi-god" is used to describe. Many of the ancient heroes of Greek mythology (such as Hercules/Heracles) were the products of such unions. Apparently, these were reputed to produce offspring of great power and abilities.

Anyhow, just curious.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Hi S&S I have meditated many times with BB on these things... As I have said before I rarely get complete memories they are bits and pieces I put together and fill in the gaps as best as I can with other memories and logic and also what I feel happened.. what makes sense to me ... based on other memories
I will answer your questions as best as I can based on the above...and maybe it will answer some of your questions and many others who wonder and have questions about such things

Kings and Queens have blood lines... blood heritages.. The mothers and fathers of the gods also have heritage I call it spiritual heritage because I don't know what else to call it .. This leads me to believe the original physical fathers of the physical gods were high priests.. shamans .. people of great spiritual abilities who began a line of physical spiritual heritages that continued on and into Ancient Egypt

The mothers of the gods were and are very different... the best I can do to explain why follows....The mothers of the gods were planned .. they did not happen by accident .... they were conceived during religious rituals/ ceremonies and for want of better word where "spells "and prayers to the gods took place.. BB may have even been there.. and part of it ... that's what I feel anyway .... although I may be wrong I have many feelings about many things that can never be proven to be right or wrong

After the mothers of the gods were born they were prepared in all ways religiously and spiritually to be the mothers of the gods.. they were special..
They gave birth to the gods when they were around 12-13 years old and after suckling the gods for a period of time they were sacrificed to keep them pure with the gods and laid in there graves in a special way to show who they were and to wait for the return of the gods in a future time

It's important to understand...The gods have total control over there physical bodies .. The physical body is an extension of them.. they are gods in both physical and spiritual form

You wondered about John Tat and BB and why John Tat is eliminated next time.. I did not want to talk about why John Tat will cease to exist.. because BB will once again become physical just as he has been before and John Tat will be gone

Some versions of the gods did have families and family heritage in the physical I may talk about that later

If you have any further questions ask them

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I thought you might be interested in a part of Christianity you might not be too familiar with. It is seldom talked about or acknowledged in Protestant circles, but was an ancient and important part of the Christian faith. Hence, it still has a significant presence in Orthodox and Catholic theology, though the Catholics limit its importance more than the Orthodox. It is the story of the "Harrowing of Hell" (as it is referred to in English), otherwise known as the descent of Jesus into Hades or Hell. I think it has significant scriptural and theological support, but Protestants avoid the topic (seemingly for theological reasons). So, you probably heard nothing about it in your last lifetime, but it seems to relate to the loss of control over the incarnation/reincarnation process by the "old" gods (however they are named), which seems to be what your "handlers" (i.e., BB and your "source") want you to reverse after you die. This was one of the things that slowly dawned on me based on our many conversations about the decline of polytheism and the rise of monotheism following the ministry/death/resurrection of Jesus.

Anyhow, the Harrowing of Hell is the story of what happened on "Holy Saturday". As you may recall, Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday (in the usual chronology). In between, in accordance with ancient teachings (and with some scriptural support), he allegedly descended as a spirit into Hades, smashed open the gates, and released some or all of the captives "taking captivity captive" and now has the "keys to death and Hades". I.e., he now controls the place, and being released or staying is now in His hands. As reincarnation, according to Plato and the old Greco-Roman myths took place out of Hades, that would seem to indicate that this was when and how access to these processes was taken away from the old gods.

Of course, the terminology (Hades/Sheol) used for the realm of the dead is that used in the ancient Middle-East, but the information conveyed is the same however it is named. Consequently, it appears to me that this is the closest thing I can find to the event you have long spoken about, where control over or access to the incarnation/reincarnation process was lost by the ones you serve. In sum, reversing this seems to be what they hope to have you do.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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HI S&S again that was very interesting I will mediate with BB on what you posted.. Again I find it interesting that things I had no physical knowledge about are actually connected to events out there I had no previous knowledge about...The John Tat thing and what I will do for my gods I have made many attempts to analyze on a physical level.. I can find nothing on a physical level that makes a lot of sense to me..
Things I find interesting about the physical John Tat include....for most of my adult life have not experienced fear of any kind.. to the point that I have no real understandings what physical fear is
I have always lived in a world of what had to be done and things I would never do.. Looking at that in a proper way ... I now understand I live and have always lived by balance.. I must have balance in my life and unfortunately I have hurt some people by living that way.. I suppose a lack of fear may have allowed me to do that....that I can dismiss people and situations out of my life that brings me chaos.. balance has brought me great peace and satisfaction.. it takes plenty of strength to attain balance ... It has taken me to a place most could not even imagine
It is part of the proof to me that my gods are real and true gods... that is what they have done for me
The only rational I can come up with about what I must do is... John Tat over incarnations has evolved into the perfect entity to serve my gods in this manner.. to give control of the reincarnation process's back to my gods and then I/BB along with the others can return to physical form just as before and serve our gods just as we have done before

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

There is also a passage in the Book of Revelations where "the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and satan" is seized and locked away for "1000 years" only to be released later when he will deceive "the nations" and lead them against God in a great battle that ends in the utter and complete defeat of satan and his followers. The Book of Revelations is deeply symbolic, so it is often difficult to know which words and terms are meant to be taken literally and which are to be taken figuratively or symbolically. E.g., "1000" can stand for "a multitude" or "fullness" as a symbol, and is not necessarily limiting in terms of the period of time involved. Thus, many take the 1000 years ("the millennium") literally while others see it as standing for a long period of indeterminate length wherein the Gospel will prosper and the teachings of Jesus will advance.

So, it could possibly stand for the entire period since his death or part of that period. This is, of course, a speculative interpretation on my part, but so are most interpretations of this difficult text. Nonetheless, I have for some time thought that these scripture passages located in Revelations 20 in some way relate to what you have in mind, as they relate to the release of some ancient "evil" (at least in the eyes of the author of Revelations) into the world which will raise up a great rebellion against God and those who seek to worship God. I have also long believed that anything you might be allowed to accomplish in terms of facilitating this release is just part of a plan that has been long foreseen and is ultimately just part of God's overarching final plan for the "neutralization" of this evil. So, nothing is secret, you're not really getting away with anything, and neither are the ones that are encouraging you. Everything is known and has been know for millennia--and if it happens it is because it is being allowed to happen.

Hence, I have not been terribly worried about what you intend except to be concerned about it as--possibly--leading to a temporary and viciously destructive incursion of hostile forces into this world. It will not succeed. Still, I also cannot help but hope that you will reconsider--for your own sake. Is this really what you want to do, join forces with those in the spirit world that hate and abhor Jesus Christ and have arrayed themselves against him? Do you hate Jesus Christ that much? If so, I have to wonder why? Surely you are not still brooding over your last lifetime.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I think I have found some good materials on the "greening" of N. Africa and the Sahara during a prior epoch and also on the land bridge across the Mediterranean that will give some insight into the time when the move to the Nile area took place. I will try to post those soon.
 
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Hi S&S As I near my final days on this earth forever .. as you you John Tat will never return in any form again .. some things are becoming much clearer to me...What is predicted will happen in the bible is not even close to what will happen.. Maybe the bible is talking about a different event
As I said before to the best of my understandings we will initially return to our home continent.. Africa.. For reason I don't understand Africa is a special place for my gods
I have talked in detail before about the benefits the peoples of Africa will have who embrace my gods...They will be taken to a level of existence nobody could have ever imagined .. When the believers in other gods see what has happened they will be able at any time to embrace my gods
How all of this will happen is very different to the bible .. As I have said the believers in other gods will be left to survive as best they can in there old ways with there diseases, short lifespans and a whole different world
The following is difficult for me to say .. but I need to to give context to what is going to happen...BB and the others want the believers in other gods to suffer and wither on the vine of there false gods
that's what they want.. they want the believers faith in false gods to to destroy them.. BB wants them to suffer over a long period of time for there beliefs in there false gods.. BB sees no need to destroy them .. they will destroy themselves waiting for a false god to save them.. at any time the believers in other gods can embrace the only real and true gods That is not an easy thing to talk about to admit about myself/BB.. but that's part of who I/BB is ....That's how its going to happen .. not as portrayed in the bible
What I find very interesting is...The bible puts in place false narratives,, false beliefs that will destroy the followers of the Christian god...It makes me wonder could have my gods planned and put in place safeguards that would guarantee there return if that was ever needed? ... that is the only explanation I can think off why the bible would put in place narratives and false beliefs that would destroy the believers in the Christian god.. How much influence did my gods have on the old Testament?
The last physical incarnation of John Tat has nothing to do with any of this...One day I may talk about why and what happened during the physical dying process of John Tat last time...there was a major event as John Tat died last time... I remembered years ago after all of this began

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

I’m trying to get BB’s narrative straight in my own mind. Earlier it was said that there was a disagreement, and one faction of gods wanted to promote the idea of a single supreme God, something BB says doesn’t actually exist. And, it was said that the ones that promoted that idea took control of the incarnation process and stopped the physical return of the other gods (and possibly their most important followers—like BB). Recently, you told me that there are no other gods than the sun gods. So, logically, that would mean that there is one group of sun gods who locked out the other group of sun gods and remain here on earth. They would be the ones who are currently here promoting a false narrative (according to BB) about a single all-powerful God.

(1) So, it would appear that there would be big conflict between these two opposing groups of sun gods when they come back together again. How do the returning ones intend to subdue the ones that are still here? It seems that a big fight between a bunch of gods would be a pretty noticeable affair for the people of this planet.

(2) Alternately, if they all decide to co-exist, then the current group of sun gods controlling things now would probably compete in raising up their followers just like the returning group seeming intend to do. Otherwise, the current group would lose all of their followers as you seem to indicate.

However, you previously seemed to indicate that there would be a battle and conflict, so I am supposing that (1), above, is correct. If that is correct, how can the returning sun gods be so sure they will prevail over the ones that are still here? Do they vastly outnumber the sun gods who remained here? Have they discovered new weaponry? All of this leaves me wondering.

Cordially,
S&S

PS—BB’s attitude is no surprise. Aside from his wrathful temperament, I think he is still a sore-head about Egypt turning away from what he considered to be the true and proper worship of the sun gods millennia ago. I would imagine he wished the same thing on them at the time.
 
Hi S&S Going by your last post we have got our wires crossed over some important issues... That would be my fault .. as I have said before I have trouble putting in place the proper words which going by your last post must infer or say things that can be interpreted the wrong way
I have never said and cannot claim I know a whole lot about how these things work and how things happen...As always I get bit and pieces that leave huge gaps between them
I have never said that the false single god was/is a sun god.. if he was then he would be a real and true god ... a rebel god but none the less a real god
He is a false god who with his followers managed to take control of the reincarnation process's away from us after which I believe was a bitter conflict at a time when my gods were weakened by events in the physical and else where they were managing .. In other words my god's were confronted at the worst possible time for them.. possibly a good tactic by the false god and his followers in the spiritual
There are no sun gods presently in the physical.. I have always said ...when the gods return....If I gave that impression then it must have been the wording of some things I said and/or how I phrased them ... probably not in there proper context which with these thing I find difficult to do... I know what I'm saying but do not always write it the right way The problem is when I read it back it's right because I know what I was saying but I have known by replies and question that what was interpreted was not what I meant
That's why I get frustrated and lash out sometimes which is something I now do my best to control which also includes what I have said is interrupted through the peoples own beliefs not on the face value of what I said.. ...I know these are also a real problems with my past incarnation memories
The only thing you need to understand about all of this to give you context is.....when the reincarnation process's return to our control the order of things that can begin to happen and will happen will be totally in our control..
I think I have said before BB will return for only 30 physical years next time.. he will return almost immediately after we have control. It has something to do with the order things must be done in and what an entity must do when he/she returns As far as I understand his first time will be to create a safe place for the mothers of the gods to return to ..that is the best I can come up with from the bits and pieces I have
The following is all a guess but it does make sense to me... because there has to be something here to begin the process.. There are believers in our gods here in the physical who pray to my god's... they will be rewarded for there loyalty to the gods.. I think they already know that ...and BB will go about setting up a safe haven for the mothers of the gods to return to with them.. Some of the most dedicated of the females may become there mothers.. After the gods are born they will be brought up in the safe haven established by BB and our loyal followers on earth
As I said all of that is a guess.. but it does make sense to me.. The others will always be around protecting the safe havens
When the gods reach there teens in the physical BB and the others will have once again returned ready to do what has to be done.. That part of it I know is how it will happen.. the rest of how it will happen and the order it will happen in... as I said is a guess
Everything is dependent upon us taking control of the reincarnation process's then my gods can return to who they are in the physical .. we will control everything including who goes and who returns.. The false single god knows that and that all of his powers and controls will be gone.. As I said that's all you need to understand about these things ... who controls the reincarnation process's... Its a power play

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

Your response opens up a variety of new areas for my curiosity. However, for the moment, I'll just focus on "who" or "what" the ones promoting the idea of a monotheistic God and locking out the sun gods are. You state:

"I have never said that the false single god was/is a sun god.. if he was then he would be a real and true god ... a rebel god but none the less a real god
He is a false god who with his followers managed to take control of the reincarnation process's away from us after which I believe was a bitter conflict at a time when my gods were weakened by events in the physical and else where they were managing .. In other words my god's were confronted at the worst possible time for them.. possibly a good tactic by the false god and his followers in the spiritual"

Actually, I was not speaking specifically about "a false single god" doing anything (though I might have gotten to that idea at some point). Based on things you previously have said, I commented that there appeared to be:

"one group of sun gods who locked out the other group of sun gods and remain here on earth. They would be the ones who are currently here promoting a false narrative (according to BB) about a single all-powerful God."

I.e., I was speaking about a faction of sun gods that wanted to promote the idea of a single supreme God and locked out the other faction of sun gods that you and BB are aligned with.

However, you seem to be indicating that the ones who accomplished the "lock-out" are not sun gods. I don't know whether this means that they are just part of a group of gods that has a different name than "sun gods", or can no longer be called sun gods because they are rebels, or whether they are some completely different type of being.

So, that brings up the question: What kinds of beings are the ones who took over the reincarnation process from the sun gods? It doesn't seem to me that ordinary spirits (whether in the flesh or not) could accomplish this type of feat against "sun gods"--whether the ones taking over are called sun gods are not. So, I assume they are also some kind of "gods" even if they are not sun gods.

You seem to indicate that they have a leader, as you say "the false god and his followers in the spiritual" were the ones who locked out the sun gods. So, once again, the nature of this false god and his followers is what I am curious about. You have said that this "false god" is not a supreme God. However, you have not said what he and his followers actually are. One thing is for sure in my mind--the "false god and his followers" aren't ordinary "human" spirits of our type.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I don't understand your question about who the false god is For years I have always said it is the Christian god and you have ignored it most times but I think on several occasions you did comment on All The Best
 
Hi John,

You have repeatedly said that the sun gods are the only "real" gods. So, when you speak of the "Christian god" I assume you mean that the Christian god is not "a real god", but a product of the imagination of Christians. Actually, I think you have said that he was imaginary at one time or another.

So, if you are now saying that the Christian god is a "real" god, how is he different from the sun gods? Are there different kinds of gods? What kinds? Do they come from different places? Alternately, if the Christian god is not a "real" god, what kind of beings are he and his followers in the spirit world?

This is all confusing to me. The only thing that makes sense to me is that ordinary beings like us don't fight in spiritual domains with gods over things like who controls the incarnation process--at least as far as I can tell. So, what has been happening seems to be a struggle between some type of "super" beings or "gods" in the spirit realm.

You have indicated at one time or another that the sun gods came from elsewhere. Is it possible that the ones locking them out are the ones that were already here, or maybe they arrived after the sun gods and figured out a way to take over?

Anyhow, you probably do not have answers to all of my questions. You seem to say that the one you call a "false god" is the Christian god and, if I'm not mistaking you, that he is actually a "god" of some type. Maybe you can confirm that much. Whether you can say more than that I don't know.

I'm just trying to get the narrative straight in my mind.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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I have no idea what John is talking about, but with you S&S you raise some valid points... these are all MHO of course...

In Ancient Egypt, there were many gods. You had Osiris, Isis, Nut, Hathor, Sekhmet, Horus, Anubis etc.... THEN you had your Sun God - yes there was just ONE (well, if you want to get technical there was two with Re) - Amun/Amun-Re and later into where I had my first Ancient Egyptian lifetime - The Aten.

You each worshipped these gods differently. Egyptians of the time had no understanding of Christianity as we know it today. They didn’t even know what it was. It was straight out polytheism.

Then Amenhotep IV/Akhenaten and Nefertiti (my first Ancient Egyptian past life) came along and we literally turned the whole Egyptian mentality on its head by forcing people to worship one god - which ironically was a Sun God - the Aten. We were asking Egyptians to worship the ‘Hidden one’ (the sun god Aten/Re)Imagine going from about 20 -ish gods to just one? That’s what monotheism is... worshipping one god. Later, Jesus appeared and did the same thing to Hebrews/Christians. (Akhenaten was rumoured to have been Moses, and I know he wasn’t).

With most of John’s posts, I gather he believes in the Sun God(s) of Egypt. I have another friend who is like that too, believes in the Sun God of Egypt. Christianity is monotheisic, while religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and even the religion of the Egyptian Gods and Goddesses (it never really had one set name, apart from the 42 Laws of Maat) are polytheistic.

I believe that the ‘Christian God’ is real, and not a figment of imagination for Christian Followers. Anyone who has had a Hebrew Past Life around the time of the congregation on Mount Sinai, will attest that he is real. I also know that the Lord is real too. However Jesus Christ is the Lord’s SON and Christians/Lutherans intertwine them both which sometimes leads to confusion...

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You have indicated at one time or another that the sun gods came from elsewhere.
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To answer this, we need to back to almost the time of creation from the ‘Christian God’. In Egyptian Creation Myths, it is said that the Sun Gods did come from somewhere else, and appeared in the time of ‘Zep Tepi’ to Egypt which is about 36,400BC.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/anc...400-bc-historical-time-zep-tepi-theory-002617

I could talk about this more in depth, but the forum rules forbid me to, so I hope that this has all helped you.

Eva x
 
Hi Eva,

Thanks for your input. As you probably noticed, we're currently on page 47 of this particular thread. It has been going on for around 5 years at a fairly constant rate, and we were talking about some related things before that. So, I know it is hard to come in at this point and be able to understand much of what is going on.

A quick summary (which John can correct if I mess up). John was having encounters with a discarnate being who appeared to be from ancient Egypt--a priest perhaps--and trying to understand what he was being told. This was the "source" that the thread is named after. John was greeted by him as someone important, with a name rendered in English as "BB", though BB is not exactly John in the sense that we usually think of our past personas. However, it took John quite a while to remember much. Then he, as an atheistic hater of God suddenly realized that he had been--and essentially was--a very religious person who had devotedly served the sun gods of ancient Egypt for many lifetimes. These are not exactly the same "gods" that you may recall and have recited above, though the later god ideas are probably blurred memories of the original sun gods that came to Egypt. The change from reality to something else and the loss of worship of the true gods disturbed BB very much. So much so that he left behind the multiple lifetimes he had lived as a priest with full and continuous memories of his past and "disappeared" for millennia, only to be discovered in the last 5 or 6 years by the spirit John refers to as his "source".

This seems to have been the result of a search by beings in the spirit world for a very long time, as BB is important to their plans to bring back the original sun gods. However, many things are unclear and BB is not always willing to reveal everything John might like. As I noted, BB and John may be the same spirit, but in a sense they are very different and separate, a bit like the multiple personalities that sometimes apparently develop in individuals.

I could say more, but that is enough for the present. Probably the best way to catch up would just be to go back 5-10 pages and read up to date.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--John is still a hater of the Judeo-Christian God and everything having to do with that God. But he is devoted to the sun gods and intends to give up his existence in order to bring them back.
 
Hi S&S I will explain the vest I can with my limited understanding... Yes the Christian god is a figment of Christians imaginations because he is not a god...anymore than the head of a cult who claims to be a god is a god... Just as happened in Ancient Egypt as time went by.. By the time came about Eva 1942 talks about the people had long lost there ways with the real and true gods which I have talked about many times and is why BB abandoned them...
It was the Christian false god who wanted to be a god but was rejected by the real and true gods.. because he was not one of them ... He never was or could be a god ...he is a figment of the Christian beliefs .. .Always keep in mind the word "god" is a physical word and only has meaning in the physical
I typed a very lengthy reply and explanation to all of this but after reading it through there were many things there I did not and have never wanted to talk about so I delete almost all of my reply

All The Best
 
Hi John,

You have deleted so much that your answer has become even more difficult to understand. However, I will try. First, you say that "the Christian god is a figment of Christians imaginations because he is not a god". Second, you also say that "the Christian false god wanted to be a god but was rejected by the real and true gods."

One of the reasons I get confused is that you often seem to be saying two different things that contradict, because you seem to be saying simultaneously that the Christian God does not exist and at the same time seem to say that He does exist.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you. It seems to me that what you are actually saying is that (1) there is an actual spirit being of some type that is the one that Christians worship as God, but (2) that particular spirit being is rejected as being a god by you and the sun gods because he is not one of the sun gods. You may also be saying that (3) this spirit being is not what Christians believe him to be in terms of even being a god of some kind or telling the truth about himself, etc.

However, after saying that this spirit being is not accepted as being a god by the sun gods and is therefore misrepresenting himself to his followers in doing so, you fail to say (4) what this spirit being actually is ??? o_O

As I observed above, ordinary spirit beings like you and I don't lock super spirit beings of the type that can be referred to as "gods" out of the incarnation process or thwart them in their aims. That would be as impossible or unlikely as one tiny week-old kitten being able to outsmart and lock a group grown human beings out of a house. The kitten wouldn't even know what a lock was, be able to figure out the lock, or have strength and power enough to operate it. So, I assume that the spirit being you say was pretending to be a god has to be some kind of "super" spirit being even if he isn't as powerful as the sun gods.

Anyhow, I would appreciate it if you could give numbered answers to (1)-(4). This would be a big help to me in terms of understanding what is going on.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I wish you would leave up one of these long answers you speak about and not delete it. What is the problem? From what you have said there is nothing that can stop you and the sun gods at this point. Actually, based on what you have said, there is no being in the universe that would be powerful enough to do so. So, what difference does it make at this point if you share the facts?
 
Hi S&S I will think through your questions for a day or two and reply as best as I can .....as comfortabley as I can.... The entity Christians claim is a god does exist but he does not exist as a god That may answer that question and is just how I interprete
things.....



IMO these things need to be assessed in the proper manner...Just one point.....most of what is believed about the gods and those who are not gods are all based on what was written and what was claimed to have happened in both ancient times and extremely ancient times There has been plenty of mis informations and outright deceptions about a lot of it ....I know first hand from being there...I know what the experts claim about the gods of Ancient Egypt is at best reasonable and in many cases wrong...The same applies to who the Christians claim is there god... Always keep in mind things are rarely what they appear to be and that most definitely applies to the entity the Christians call god....... All The Best
 
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Hi S&S I have taken longer than I thought to reply to your questions....I have re written it over and over again and eliminated the damage of what the false god has done because I/BB don't care
The false god came from a different place.. He did not and never will have the spiritual heritage to be a god.. He is only a god to himself and his followers
The whole foundation of his claims of being a god is creation... The trouble is he didn't create anything... neither did the real gods no matter what is recorded in Ancient Egyptian history
I have knowledge about this that came to me through BB over a long period of time .. I only feel comfortable talking about small part of it
When creation came it created distance to a place where distance did not exist.. I have scattered knowledge that creation is all about distance not time or anything else
As you know I'm not a technical person.. my brain does not function in those ways so understandings of these types of things is difficult for me.. But distance keeps repeating itself to me distance... distance... distance.. when I mediate on these things
There had been many creations before this one.. What they were I have some knowledge about but they are not relevant to any of this ... even if I wanted to talk about them which I don't .. it's sacred knowledge it's where the real and only true gods come from
When creation came the real and only true gods came through the light of the creation
The false god was not part of creation.. he came from a place created by the creation... if that makes any sense.. way way after creation happened and recruited followers from all over the place who wanted to control what had been created. That's a very basic and small description of how it all began
Using a Christin analogy ... the false god was and is evil... he was and is the devil.. a devil who disguises himself as a god
It's very important to understand .. creation never ends.. the creators (there are many of them) keep moving from one creation to the next
The false god claims he created heaven and earth ... in other words he claims creation began and ended with him... That's nonsense
Then he claims that "he" the creator will be waiting for his loyal followers in heaven that he created... make of that what you will
When you understand that the false god created nothing which is basis of his his claims that he is god... then that is proof enough of who he really is
That one sentence should answer your questions


All The Best
 
Hi John,

You have said:

Hi S&S I have taken longer than I thought to reply to your questions....I have re written it over and over again and eliminated the damage of what the false god has done because I/BB don't care

That may be true, but I care in the sense that I would like to hear what you have to say on the matter. So, please let me know anything you can about the damage the "false god" has done.

The false god came from a different place.. He did not and never will have the spiritual heritage to be a god.. He is only a god to himself and his followers

I’m not sure what you mean when you use the term god. I am speaking about a being of great power and knowledge well beyond that of beings like us. I don’t know how to quantify this, as there are many beings that would fall into this category that would be merely the servants of real gods. Maybe I should say a thousand or a million times more power and knowledge than we have. I’ll accept your definition of quantity or quality for the sake of discussion. But since you use the sun gods as examples, I would be speaking of beings “like” them. However, your loyalty to the sun gods makes it impossible for you to acknowledge that they might have equals and beyond impossible for you to acknowledge that they might have any superior. This makes it difficult for me to discuss the possibility that there might have been other gods (perhaps from different places) in different areas such as the Greco-Roman pantheon headed by Zeus/Jupiter, or the Hindu Pantheon, etc. I don’t know how to overcome this difficulty with you. I’ll just start this way. In addition to the Christian deity, were there other “gods” (at the time of the sun gods) who were only gods to themselves and their followers (as you put it above)? I’m thinking about the numerous other groups of deities worshiped around the world at that time.

The whole foundation of his claims of being a god is creation...
I have knowledge about this that came to me through BB over a long period of time .. I only feel comfortable talking about small part of it

Since the sun gods don’t claim to be the creators or to have been around when it was done, how could they know one way or the other who the creator was?

When creation came it created distance to a place where distance did not exist.. I have scattered knowledge that creation is all about distance not time or anything else
As you know I'm not a technical person.. my brain does not function in those ways so understandings of these types of things is difficult for me.. But distance keeps repeating itself to me distance... distance... distance.. when I mediate on these things

There could be a form of existence where there was time and mental activity in the absence of space. It is difficult to comprehend, but in the research on reincarnation there are reports from people who say they had a lifetime in a place/zone/dimension of this type. I don’t fully comprehend it either, but I assume it means an existence where there is thought and communication between different minds, but no “things” other than mental concepts shared or thought about. It is only by the creation of space, which equals distance, that we can have a material universe with material things. I’m wondering if this is what was meant when you were told that the material universe is the important thing, that outside of that there is only “existing”.

There had been many creations before this one.. What they were I have some knowledge about but they are not relevant to any of this ... even if I wanted to talk about them which I don't .. it's sacred knowledge it's where the real and only true gods come from

I’m assuming that the sun gods also have no knowledge about how, why, and who made these other creations as well?

When creation came the real and only true gods came through the light of the creation

Based on your prior statements, this world and the entire universe had been around for a very, very long time before the sun gods entered ancient Egypt via a second sun. Are you saying they entered the entire universe of galaxies and stars when it was created, or they entered via the light of our sun when it was created or came into existence? Your only report of them dates from ancient Egypt, when both the universe and our sun had already been around (by best reports) for billions of years. As far back as anyone might place any of your memories would be sometime after the end of the last ice age (around 10,000 b.c.). By most estimates, that is pretty recent in terms of the history and age of the universe, galaxy, sun, solar system, planet earth, plant and animal life, and humanity in general. Based on the timeline, the sun gods might have helped kick-start human civilization in Ancient Egypt, but would have had nothing to do with the rest. Maybe they mean the light of the creation of ancient Egypt?

The false god was not part of creation.. he came from a place created by the creation... if that makes any sense.. way way after creation happened and recruited followers from all over the place who wanted to control what had been created. That's a very basic and small description of how it all began

However, you previously also said that the sun gods were not creators, so they also came from a place that had been created by some greater God, or just happened somehow. In any case, you have said pretty much the same thing about the false god and his followers as you have said about the sun gods. If all creations just “happened” and the different gods came from these creations when they happened, it just sounds like the “false god” is part of one group of gods and the sun gods are part of another group of gods that would like to control this particular creation. The only difference seems to be that the sun gods came from a different creation and the false god and his followers originated in this creation. This would mean that the sun gods came as conquerors to take over a place where they did not originate. What happened to their place of origin, was it destroyed somehow?

Using a Christin analogy ... the false god was and is evil... he was and is the devil.. a devil who disguises himself as a god
It's very important to understand .. creation never ends.. the creators (there are many of them) keep moving from one creation to the next
The false god claims he created heaven and earth ... in other words he claims creation began and ended with him... That's nonsense
Then he claims that "he" the creator will be waiting for his loyal followers in heaven that he created... make of that what you will
When you understand that the false god created nothing which is basis of his his claims that he is god... then that is proof enough of who he really is
That one sentence should answer your questions

OK, now we get to the heart of the matter. Some of the stuff I said above may be irrelevant based on what you have just said. THIS IS REALLY GOOD STUFF AND BRAND NEW AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. You previously said: The trouble is he didn't create anything... neither did the real gods no matter what is recorded in Ancient Egyptian history. Now you have said that: .. creation never ends.. the creators (there are many of them) keep moving from one creation to the next

So, there are CREATORS and the question is who or what are these creators? You have said that the false god is not a creator (or THE CREATORS) and that the sun gods are not a creator (or THE CREATORS). This leaves the big question: who are these CREATORS? THIS WOULD BE ONE OF MY PRIMARY INTERESTS.

BTW--If neither the sun gods or the false god and his followers (as you put it) are the Creator or Creators, that would mean that the false god is not the God that Christians worship any more than the sun gods are gods they worship. Christians worship the creator. The only person who would falsely claim this title would be a devil or the devil. This is all very, very interesting, but I definitely want to know more about the Creators (as you put it). This type of being is even more interesting to me than the sun gods.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Hi S&S I have known for a number of years along with other subjects if I ever talked about this subject it would open a can of worms with you.. so I have been very reluctant /not wanted to talk about them
I will answer your questions within the scope of what I want to talk about.. I don't know everything far from it my knowledge is limited but as I said I will prepare answers within the scope of what I want to talk about.. In many cases its John Tat not BB who holds back ... The knowledge has been passed onto me especially about travelling within the light that I could contact those of science that would open the gate to them of how to do it .. but I don't want to
Sometimes I get the feeling from BB that is what I must do to prove who and what he is... but John Tat wants nothing off it.. It may sound crazy but it feels good that I'm the only one who knows...
As with most things the three basic/foundations of what must be done are obvious when you know

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

"Hi S&S I have known for a number of years along with other subjects if I ever talked about this subject it would open a can of worms with you.. so I have been very reluctant /not wanted to talk about them
I will answer your questions within the scope of what I want to talk about.. I don't know everything far from it my knowledge is limited but as I said I will prepare answers within the scope of what I want to talk about.. "

I assume you are responding to my interest in the "Creators" at the end of my response. It is true that I would appreciate more information there, but there were also several other questions posed before I got down that far in your post. So, if you get a chance to give them your consideration and response that would also be appreciated.

"In many cases its John Tat not BB who holds back ... The knowledge has been passed onto me especially about travelling within the light that I could contact those of science that would open the gate to them of how to do it .. but I don't want to Sometimes I get the feeling from BB that is what I must do to prove who and what he is... but John Tat wants nothing off it.. It may sound crazy but it feels good that I'm the only one who knows..."

That is difficult for me to understand, especially since BB seems to want you to do this.

"As with most things the three basic/foundations of what must be done are obvious when you know"

I assume these three basic foundations are part of what you are unwilling to share. Like I said, I don't really understand why you don't wish to do this, but it is truly up to you since BB doesn't seem to want to force the issue. I hope that in the end you make the right decision.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I will talk about a couple of things that are connected to travelling within the light...."within the light" should always be understood for what it is
I have thought it through very carefully because I didn't want to talk about anything that could give crucial clues about how it is done.. I will talk about what has to happen for interstellar travel to become possible and how travelling within the light allows you to accomplish that
When you enter and travel within the light you become infinite.. that is the only way interstellar travel becomes possible
Science fiction has all types of weird machines you enter and go into a deep sleep .. that's all nonsense
When you travel within the light and have the abilities to control infinity ... when it will begin when it will end.. when you will enter the light and when you will leave the light...that is the the first basic step of three
A crucial spin off from this is.....when you travel within the infinity of the light the fuel and energy required to travel also becomes infinite
The second basic step is controlling time of when you return to where you left from..
What I have set out is the only way humans can accomplish interstellar travel and why they will never achieve it without the knowledge of the sun gods
Of all of the things and knowledge BB has passed onto me travelling with the light has been by far the easiest for me to understand... maybe BB wanted it that way
Again I may have opened a can of worms with this post... Be assured this is the last post I will ever post about travelling within the light

All The Best
 
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