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If time is simultaneous, how does cause and effect work?

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Veronika

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Hi everyone!

Once I was shown how my soul saw all my different lives. From my souls perspective they were alla going on at the same time. I also remeber that Deborah once told us about a similar experience.

What puzzels me is if my lives are all simultainous how do they affect each other? I can see how themes develop and change in different lives in some kind of chronological order. Is that because I choose to view them from that perspective? I also can see that some lives are more connected to each other even though they don't follow each other.

Does anyone have any experiencies or thoughts about this?

Veronica :)
 
Thoughts

I like to see one being as a circle, where the eternal spirit is in the middle of it, and all the incarnations (lives at physical level) are at the edge of that circle. On the edge there is time and place, and lives seem to have a chronological secuence. At the center there is no time and it's possible to see into all times. If a consciousness of a being connects to spirit, it can see those other lives which are all positioned on the edge.

Some say that they can incarnate forward and backward in time; I myself seem to have a logical secuence of lives that move forward from past to future.
 
I think Josefina has a very nice way of explaining it.

I've read about people who remember future lives, but only one or two cases. Maybe the majority of people don't remember future lives because in this physical existence time does exist and seeing a life that takes place in a future time might cause us to pay less attention to what we need to do or learn in this lifetime.

I think it makes sense that things might need a particular set of circumstances to work through, and those circumstances may or may not be in chronological order (time-wise as we understand it in the physical existance), but the lives lived in similar circumstances would probably seem more connected than those lived in entirely different circumatances. Maybe it's different for everyone. Still, a problem is always solved chronologically to get to the solution, isn't it?

You've gotten me curious. Is anyone aware of memories where the problems don't seem to be solved in chronological order? How about the circumstances between lives that seem more connected. Are there similarities, and if sowhat kind of similarities?
 
This is indeed a deep mystery.

Some say the future is already there in the eternal, and others say the future can be changed by our own free will, If the future is cast in stone then we have no free will and might as well do whatever we want because it won't make any difference anyway. I'm not comfortable with that notion. I have to believe that the future consists of possibilities and probabilities.

Before you drop a stone it is not certain what will become of it. Once it has been dropped it will certainly hit the ground in the near future. Some things that have already been set in motion cannot be changed, but other things are not yet decided. That's how I see it anyway.
 
I think of the universe as a timeless point in the middle of a very multi dimensional CD disk. Portions of the timeless point have recognized they are/AM. The action of regognition is analagous to the big bang. Each portion is interlinked. What the whole does, any part may also do.

A poor description is that the you may get infinitely smaller and larger in the context of "one". All there is. I can visual this non verbally.

The Universe ,of course, consists of many non physical dimensions relative to our physical set of dimensions.


A little prediction. Eventually, it will be proven that the "Tunnel" you travel at birth and death is within the sun in a different dimension. The Sun is a cognizant living creature. There are multiple idea structures being acted out at the same time. The heat to keep us going is the result of the physical dimension, a counterpart.

The Sun dies and is reborn, as well. The same is true for every part of all dimensions except at the core of "one".

Another analogy. If the cognizant "I " were a processing cell in the small intestine, the imagined ideas , even though there is constant communication, would be far more material than say a processing cell in the brain or muscles. They know of each other, but cannot experience each existence, unless they choose it in a future cellular reincarnation. The same Human Soul Too!


Almost all of this is non verbal. Non verbal ideas seem to be greatest in those that are creative. The great master views the picture in it's entirety, as a concept.

Our problem today, is that non verbal creative thinking is driven out by the politico-religious system. So very few still possess the ability.
 
The sun is a body of being and beyond....

Time and lives
Nice idea Josephina! :) and Chelle yes I do believe you are correct when you say that the future (as in future lives) is largely veiled to the ego, the personal self. As with Josephina, I too can report from the level of the ego that I seem to have lived the lives I can recall in strict time-based succession. This I think is defiantly the presentation required by the higher self in order that the personal self can reach some form of structured understanding. For the personal self, the ego, yes Fiziwig, there are always possibilities and probabilities.

I say this because when I first started to meditate upon the meaning that had to lie behind the 3 lives that I then recalled, when they were “spread” beneath me, I suddenly realised the disposition of these lives and all the associated infrastructure had been created by myself, my higher self that is. From that point I went off into higher consciousness. Now that consciousness I took to be a summation as Jerry starts to describe.

Several years later, by great effort, I dragged two more lives into view. While providing me with further insights into this life the additionality did not really change the awareness within my higher self. Just 2 more past lives on the circumference of the circle were noted, the aspect of myself noting the addition did not change at the time although I used the additional information to extend further at a later date.

The problem with this expansion phase (into higher consciousness) is that one can never report back exactly what it is like. It just goes on and on past creation of the universe, past creation of the lives, past creation of all lives, past caring, past bliss, past consciousness itself on and on. For me it is only some form of vague regret, a mistiness, a hint of something maybe left undone (even in the midst of “perfect” being, the way I allways imagined it should be, the recollection of my true self) that causes me to come back. Oh dear! The sun is a body of being at a higher level? I believe that! :D
Regards
 
I don't know why, but I've always instinctively felt that everything that ever happened in the universe, both past and present, is all occuring simultaneously. It's a deep/complex concept to be drawn to, and something tells me that several future lives are influencing why I think this way. As for cause and effect, I think this is more along the idea of 'different timelines' as opposed to past and future events. Every potential decision or choice we can possibly make has occurred, which splits the current timeline in dozens of tangents, meaning that there are seperate timelines (with you in it, as it were) each living slightly different lives, simultaneously.

For some reason, occasionally my perception of time seems to transcend this timeline/reality. I believe I crossed-over into another timeline and caught a glimpse of my wife in it...I married a co-worker from another job that I had a mild interest in a year or two ago. I saw everything. I saw her wearing the white veil with me beside her, I witnessed the reception, and I saw her smiling and laughing. The interesting thing is that I could've just easily said this is a repressed desire of mine, or perhaps I jumped several years into the future...but I instinctively feel (almost convinced) that I briefly crossed-over into an alternate timeline of one of my lives. It's like 15 different roads parallel to each other with you in it, but each road is slightly different because you've chosen a different destination. It seems like I caught a glimpse of the road beside the one I'm currently travelling on.
 
Yep, time is indeed a deep mystery.

Josephina,
your explanation is how I saw it in my vision. You just explained it better.

fitzwig, Robin, Jerry and Ben,
It's very hard for the human brain (at least mine) to comprehend time as eternal and simultanious. I don't think that the future is set in stone, but in some way, I don't think that it has to be set in stone just because the future too is happening right now. Maybe it has to do with Ben's experience of different alternative timelines?? This thought, about alernative timelines is a little too much for me att the moment. Theoretically I think it's possible, but I can't imagine it.

As, Jerry pointed out these things are very hard to verbalise. You all seem to have similar thoughts and experiencies of time and eternity as I do. I just can't explain it as well.

Chelle and everyone,
I think that my lives develop in cronological timeorder. Sometimes I need to view things from a different angel just to see that it's not my ideas of how things work that makes me think that they work that way. Sometimes we only see things that prove what we already believe.

I think that we often are most affected by the life we had before. Often it seems to me like we also were affected by the last life we had beeing the same sex. Not always, but often.

This is what started to puzzel me and made me aks the question about casue and effect:

At one point in time I seem to have had two different lives that I lived at the "same time". Both lives can be seen as a logical continuation from the life before. In one of the following lives I was allowed to be the kind of person I wished and failed to be in the previous life (a male military life). In the other life I was allowed to live out the artistic sides I was forced to deny in life nr. one (I was female musician). In both the simultainous lives I was allowed (not without sacrificies) to develop the personality I was born with. In next life (nr. 4) I was again back at what felt like square one, where I was forced deny everything that was me. Life 1 and 4 is very different but I was trapped in a situation where others expectactions of how a son or daughter should be made me shrink into a small and unhappy person.

I know that I might have already lost you, but before the life I called nr.1. I was also a female musician who was a happy and flirty kind of person. Personalitywise I there were not many similarities in the next life where I was an officier (nr 1). In one of the simultainous lives I was again a female musician and my personality was different but still similar to the first female musician. Sometimes I've thought about if these female musician lives really followed on each other?? Still to me it makes also sense to me to place the second life as a female musician in the true cronological order.

Ben,
your feeling of beeing affected of future lives is very interesting. I don't know how to relate to time, if that's the case.
 
Hi,

Could I offer a different concept here?

Time is infinite and in constant expansion.

The soul is an indivisible unit.

The future is not and cannot be pre-set.

Through free choice we are constantly changing the possible future.

The soul is in permanent evolution through reincarnation.
 
Disk of fire

Elisabeth Haich in her book "Initiation" tells how she felt like being a core of a fiery disk of energy when she was in the zenith of her initiation. Everything and everybody she could felt inside of her. She was all that is.
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Her story is one of the major things that have affected me spiritually.

The circle, the disk which is one being, could be taken as a CD... All the information there is ever going to be is already on it, but you can only listen it from start to end. Or you can have a taste from here or there - this could be compared with those moments we remember bits from our parts. They can be situated almost everywhere on "the disk" and the way they come to us can sometimes be quite chaotic.

After I had had some sense from my latest PL, I had couple of other lives as a one clumb, which I had to open up and see that it consisted of many lives. I'm still not certain about some memories wether they are from one or two lives.
 
true spiritual self hidden by a disk of golden light

Dear Josephina,
I follow your thinking exactly and I have had the same insight as you report through Elisabeth Haich. It is a fundamental Advaitic comprehension. The subjective equivalent of “the universe and all therein including that from which all proceeds” - “that thou art”.

Your CD example follows my line of thought also – the higher self is the mechanism controlling access –bits of tracks, track by track, in random order, whatever, or perhaps even the whole thing. To simplify the matter, all tracks are veiled to the ordinary ego (the Jiva), ie the personal self (on any track) unless sufficient positive energy is accumulated in any one track to enable the ego therein to remember (see) some aspect of the (its) higher self. Once that barrier is breached the whole thing may potentially be opened up to comprehension from the ego-level and at that point the soul (the extended self) totally incorporates all the information on the disk and moves on. No more “imperative and necessary” incarnations need follow.

The tracks need not necessarily be cut in sequence (inside to outside or whatever), the disk is capable of infinite expansion, but lives do follow one from another but maybe not necessarily A,B,C,D….. Perhaps A,B & C follow due to unsatisfied yearnings in A & B respectively but if C were a quiet and relatively balanced positive life, the major yearning to account for the next incarnation could revert back again to a major aspect (perceived shortcoming) of the A life which was not addressed in the B life…..Thus the whole thing could potentially proceed in infinite progression (as Charles says) – this in my terminology, taken from my own experience as a multi military-life entity, constitutes a “slow learner”. I qualify for that title very well.

Time only belongs to the ego, to the lives lived within the tracks. The higher self is outside time but can perceive it. The supreme self, that aspect beyond although responsible for emitting the physical world and the progression seen by the ego as time, knows not time. Is beyond time.

Cause and effect as posed by Veronika, is the property of the ego. We can ouselves analyse the cause-effect relations across the disk, by assuming the viewpoint of the higher self. The first step is to note that there is no higher entity “allowing” one thing or another in a life, all that takes place is the property of the self. One also has to know a bit about the attitude expressed at the end of each life (the sum of the successes and failures), as well as the attributes of the major attributes – successes and failures that is.:)
Regards
 
Hi Robin,

Yes, somehow I believe the answer lies somewhere in between linearity and the disk.

I once read that the expansion of the universe is an illusion. What happens is that there are seven "local universes" that rotate, each on its own axis, and create an illusion of expansion. This would mean that even though the disks (universes) may rotate in relation to each other, and eventually return to the same position, "time" does not go in circular motion back to its beginning, only back to an original position, which then repeats its circular motion, but certainly not the same order of events.
 
Charles,

I recently looked at photographs of the Universe nearing it's beginning. The light gathered together had traveled unhindered for billions of years.

The telescope focused in on light billions of years old. The telescope gathered together photons with nothing significant "in between" in the same space to "obstruct" the older photons.

Every action demonstrated by light after the events observed has yet to arrive.

Clearly everything observed is linear, if the concept is correct. Yet space is curved in upon itelf, if the most accepted concepts are to be believed.

The foregoing is a verbal description from a knowlege system that teaches everything verbally.

Something is wrong about the totality of the foregoing. In all those billions of years just reaching us now, how did the light catch up to us. The explanation is that the light of the past is so faint it needs to be gathered together to be seen. How do you gather the past to visualize it?

Here is the indirect indication that time is simaltaneous. The simple fact is we should NOT be able to gather light in a linear fashion. We started at the big bang in some form. We are here, a multiplicity of physical movements in space that ever expands. The Earth revolves about the sun in a constantly changing space as the Milky Way itself moves in its orbit, all the while expanding in a space constantly expanding the distance of every object from each other!

It is a curse that I can visualize this non verbally! Robin, your turn!

This is simply the physical part of the universe we acknowledge.
 
We can use many different methaphores of what time is, from differnt perspectives they might all be true.

What I'm trying to understand is how a non-linear concept of time affects me practically in my every day life or in trying to understand past life information. Teories are great but what's the practical effects?

I takes time to get used to not seeing time as only linear as we usually see it.

Robin,
your CD and sequense analogy made sense to me.
 
TIME IS A MYSTERY

Time is really a mystery.

I always have experience that what I will do next has once appeared in my dream. such as when I was talking with someone, I will suddenly feel I have seen this situation somewhere. I think most of us have this expierence.

Is this an ability of prediction? Or just a confusion?

If it is not a confusion, will this be a proof that the future has been decided?

NOW is the FUTURE of the PAST. If future is decided, what we will do now won`t be changed because of the past. Can we do what ever we want to do? (I feel headache......)

Or the future is decided by ourselves.
 
It's a matter of focus

HI Veronika

*S*S I have been reading along -- theories are fascinating. But as far as HOW to apply the knowledge/understanding to practical everyday life - to me - is the important part too; so here's my stab at your question.

What I have found to be true for me so far, is that it's a matter of focus and attention. I think the experiences of mine you referred to are in the FAQ under simultaneous time and I won't repeat them here since your question takes it to the next level.

For me, the foundation lies in the three intelligence's ----- feelings -- thoughts and emotions that are happening in the NOW. Learning to be AWARE --- in the moment ---and to open and expand consciousness to include an awareness of the past or the future. In other words, allow those three aspects of you to feel -both or all. Think of it as an interweaving, embrace the feelings, emotions and thoughts of then and now. What I have found is a pattern in the three intelligences that is happening in the past - the present and the future and to effect change in the present moment regarding those feelings, emotions, and thoughts alters (by way of free will) your "destiny" and opens doors to possibilities and probabilities.

I'll think on an example or maybe a better way to explain it.....maybe another cup of coffee will do? ;)
 
do something with it?

Dear Veronika,
thanks indeed - I did forget on important detail - at any point the personal self may gain sufficient insight to "short out" part of the otherwise "obligate" progression. For instance the personality in life C might "wake up", regress to life A and eliminate the problem that would otherwise bring on life D. The whole "landscape" of the "downhill part" meaning the rest of the CD changes at this moment. I discuss this point here in more detail. If executed the procedure would change your everyday life for the better but you will not be able to predict the result beforehand.
Regards
 
physical reality

Dear Jerry,
Here is a view that I obtained from Fairchild on another thread:
The material world including the brain of course, seems to represent "ideas," slowed down and evolving... projected "in" and apparently responsible for-- space-time. Light somehow allows this projection.
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It is another way of looking at the universe problem using coded scientific terms such a “hologram” which can stand instead of “physical existence”. The term “light” can obviously be taken two ways but although a higher consciousness is usually invoked as the source of this projection I tend to think “physical light” as we know it can only be responsible for the ability of the human body to see as in perceive this otherwise external image.
(physical) reality as a hologram... "every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole."
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. The original context may be found here.
Regards
 
Hi Robin and all,

Does this mean that I could, at some stage, return to my life as Charlie Stuart and prevent all the dire consequences of my actions then? Somehow this really does not make sense to me. My belief and understanding is that what is past is past, and there is not much we can do to change it, unless we are running into countless parallel universes in which all choices are made in double, and both routes based on these choices become parallel realities multiplied by the zillions of choices ever made.

Sorry, but this really does not make sense to me, and I really hope that by disagreeing I am truly not becoming the proverbial pain in the ***

The concept of simultaneous time presents far too many complexities that are instantly clarified if one accepts the concept of linear (or semi-linear) time.

I do know that "time" in the spiritual realm takes on an entirely different perspective, where a week might mean a year, or ten, or a hundred... But I do also believe that "time" in the material realm must present a certain linearity, though variable.

Scientists believe that the closer one gets to a black hole, the slower "time" moves. I do not know all the complexities of the scientific explanations for the Theory of Relativity, but science also claims that one can get increasingly closer to a black hole, but that it is impossible to actually enter one. They also believe, however, that in theory if one could, one would indeed return in "time". If one did, however, would one really be able to change the sequence of events, or would one again be a part of events that have already happened, and be involved in them just as before?

How many of you here saw "Back to the Future"? I would also again recommend "Operation Trojan Horse", the book I have mentioned here before.
 
Robin's way of changing the future

Robin,
Thanks for the link to your website. It was interesting reading. I wouldn't dare to mess with such powerful and unpredictabel things if it weren't someting really urgent to deal with.

Usually I use healing to heal pastlife personas, but I heal them in me in the prestent and "change" things for me in this life not the past. Healing is also a good way to influent the future in a mild and good way. Then I also think that me being able to use healing is part of the plan or rather sketch for my prestent life and future.

If I ever feel the need for dramatic changes I now know who to ask for advice. Those dramatic effects on the present you mentioned in the text is that something you've experienced yourself? Is those changes like moving into another of the different timelines Ben talked about? Or do you simply change the present?

Charles,
I don't know what proverbial means, but I don't imagine that you ever will be a pain in the ***. I too find that the thoughts about alternative timelines and changing past lives are hard to relate to, but I could be possible eventhough I can't get my mind around it right now.

Deborah,
I get some fuzzy picture of what you mean. An example would be welcome, so I'm sure that I get it right. ;)
 
LOLO That's because.........

I always start in the middle of my explanation not the begining. ;) Bad habit. I am swamped today for the most part - but a good place to see what the heck I might be suggesting - is in this thread

Have you read Gregg Braden's book? The Isaiah Effect?
 
I don't know...

But the concept of simultaneous time just blows the idea of "cause and effect" to pieces...

Reincarnation, as far as I can grasp it, means progress and evolution. In each life we learn and evolve, in a continuous momentum. In a future life we respond for what we did in a previous life or previous lives, through the reel known as "karma".

The concept of simultaneous time just makes the whole concept illogical.

It seems unreasonable to me. It just doesn't make sense.
 
It takes a lot of effort to swallow simaltaneity.

Charles, here is a hypothetical idea . Your "highest self" decides on plan B. Sometime later Highest Self decides on plan A. One of these probables comes to fruition in a probable universe. The other comes to pass in our universe. Each are probable to the other.

Here, you need to read guy's like Fred Wolfe, a great populizer of the paradoxes of quantum mechanics.

In an earlier post I described the totality of one as being a multi dimensional being that is simaltaneously capable of being an infinitely smaller or larger totality. This would be with respect to every dimension.

Seth, the trance personality of Jane Roberts described these as probable universes. We also have a self , in your case, that chose not to be Bonnie Prince Charlie and another that did.


Linearity is an illusion or quantum mechanics fails, yet it still suffices as an explanation.
 
It takes a lot of effort to swallow simaltaneity.

Charles, here is a hypothetical idea . Your "highest self" decides on plan B. Sometime" later" Highest Self decides on plan A. One of these probables comes to fruition in a probable universe. The other comes to pass in our universe. Each are probable to the other.

Here, you need to read guy's like Fred Wolfe, a great populizer of the paradoxes of quantum mechanics.

In an earlier post I described the totality of one as being a multi dimensional being that is simaltaneously capable of being an infinitely smaller or larger totality. This would be with respect to every dimension.

Seth, the trance personality of Jane Roberts described these as probable universes. We also have a self , in your case, that chose not to be Bonnie Prince Charlie and another that did. A probable self.


Linearity is an illusion or quantum mechanics fails, yet it still suffices as an explanation. Nothing exists unless it is observed. You create your own universe simaltaneously everywhere by action.


I have an understanding of this non verbally. The substitute for verbal decscription is mathematical. I have the gift of math but never pursued it. But even math fails to describe a creation of a multi dimensional non verbal mind.

All of us have portions of our "whole self" that function outside the ordinary observable dimensions. I got treated to a little more
of the whole self than I can handle physically.


In the total scheme of things there is no cause and effect. No good or bad. There is only just being! WE Exist! The rest of it is a sort of celestial masturbation.

Existing is an illusion. We just do. Existing has no ultimate explanation. What happened when "The One" realized it existed. It went from probable to actualization.

Einstein, somewhere in his writings , credits Kabballah for his insights.

Thirty five years ago, I studied Kabballah to try and figure out my teenage NDE. I learned a great deal conceptually. Then I moved on to other things.

People post here about 11.. Kaballah describes "God" as a creative device of ten personalities. Three are unknowable, the upper countenances. The abyss of nothing separates the remaining 7 from the upper three. The lower countenances. There will "never" be 11 coutenances because the energies "emanated" into existence are used to create the expanded universe by the seven lower coutenances. What keeps it all stable is there are three sets of three plus one.

The implication is that the three upper coutenances are the Higher Selves of the God of Monotheism. The probable acts of the upper three are turned ito realities by the lower seven.

I am not an expert on Kabballah, a couple of courses. I found what I needed and being a gypsy moved on to my next interest.

I mention this only because it does tie in probable acts along the lines of Seth's explanation, a decade later. Even later Modern very theoretical physics seems to be zeroing in on a small aspect of the ideas of simaltaneity and probability.

I resisted all this for a good decade. I know how you feel.

The key is abandoning ideas of good and evil at the deepest levels of our being.
 
repeating, repeating........

Dear Charles,

First let me just say that nothing works unless one/you believe it will. Axiomatic, no?
Does this mean that I could, at some stage, return to my life as Charlie Stuart and prevent all the dire consequences of my actions then?
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Well not exactly, by that I mean probably not the whole life. The issue is that the matter turns on the individual decisions that result in specific negative acts. Almost the same thing in most cases but not quite, and, one has to start with the small things first. The big things would undoubtedly need a support group because of the amount of energy involved.

If you really believe that time is linear then of course it cannot be done. It is rather, first of all a matter of belief and access. For if time (that is the time in incarnation A or B) is simultaneous, then it means that the lives of all incarnations in all details (from start to finish), from the viewpoint of the higher self, are being played out now, this very instant. Furthermore this very instant is all there is, all that could possibly be, for that matter. Also, according to my "insight" this is so from the standpoint of the higher self.

As far as access is concerned, one must use very strong (complete) identification with the offending ego. This is of course the hard part, if one just pops back into that ego (“light” regression), that ego will just do as it always did. In that case you are perfectly correct:”My belief and understanding is that what is past is past” and that is the finish of it, nothing changes. You are so right!

On the other hand, picking a small indiscretion, and starting with the clear understanding and conscious identification of your ego with your higher self, identical with that aspect of the eternal self from which all proceeds, one can exactly live through that same instance in a “positive light” so to speak. What happens immediately is the “previous indiscretion” ceases to exist. You change yourself and all those affected by that “error” and thus the whole world. There are no parallel life-lines (strands) left unchanged for no parallel strands exist.

Disagreement is certainly expected and my pointing out the opposite will likewise have no effect. As things are it could not be otherwise, could it? You can however, if you are of a mind, try it for yourself, but do not pick on huge errors. Small almost insignificant items can work if you so desire.

They (scientists) also believe, however, that in theory if one could, one would indeed return in "time". If one did, however, would one really be able to change the sequence of events, or would one again be a part of events that have already happened, and be involved in them just as before?
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This scenario is very close to the “myth” of Eternal Return of Western thought, the symbol is the worm (snake?) Uroboros eating its own tail. BTW there are two very very good fiction/fanasy?? works on this subject: by E.R. Edison: The Worm Oroborus, and also Zimiamvia: A Trilogy Edison presented these works as fantasy but if you read them it becomes obvious that they are illustrative of the reality he perceived, in a very profound way.

The Vedas say that the case is eventual contraction of form but with the inherent vasanas (scarring memories and urges – longings) still in place within the “unmanifest” – eternal existence, which knows no destruction-. These urges then are responsible for initiating the next great cycle and all beings emerge therein, seeded by the vasanas, and they take life again from a point exactly where they left off, as form evolves, they again become manifest. This means each cycle starts from a different “focus” but since such cycles are without limit then exact replication will take place sooner or later.

Actually, for an individual, one of the ways off of the cycle is exactly the one I have alluded to. Otherwise, Charles, it is just as you said in your first post to this thread The soul is in permanent evolution through reincarnation except that it is worse, the overall cycle repeats for the very slow learners………….

Regards
 
I think the soul isnt limited by time.

We all live in an physical world, time determine everything in our world. Or we can say our world is 4-D SPACE, but I also read some article claim we are living in a more advanced space. such as 11-D SPACE......

What I mean is maybe soul isnt exist in our space, they dont need physical body, certainly they aren`t limited by time. They can see what they want though it is thousands light years far away.

Some scientist claimed that universe is consisted by many parallel universe. Maybe to soul, all PL OR FL MEMORIES are more like a book, every page has one story:)
 
it does work.....

Dear Veronica,
As you say
Usually I use healing to heal past-life personas, but I heal them in me in the present and "change" things for me in this life
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this is the first step and it is also the last for many. But certainly it is far far better than sitting on the couch watching TV. :)

Those dramatic effects on the present you mentioned in the text is that something you've experienced yourself? Yes but without support I could only manage a small item and that was almost without knowing what I was doing. The really large item that was actually the main event “in train” at the time eluded me. I had to “make do” with the technique you mentioned (in the quote above). It took me weeks and weeks to “heal”. But there was a small “break-through” and my present day horror when I realised what the other ego was about to do registered as a momentary but considerable “doubt” in that other mind that was and is me, myself. Unfortunately, it was my very first regression and I lacked the comprehension and fortitude to follow-up so that soldier did not turn from his path. Instead, and at the same time, he reached up and felt the side of his face and whereas I felt the edge of his helmet and nose, he felt a sharp pang of remorse and nearly turned away but not quite. The results of doing this sort of thing are as I report on the web-site. And, oh, yes - one simply changes the present. Some people (sensitive) sometimes detect the effects as "time slips" (see also my comment on this to Charles, above).
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getting off at the next stop.....

Dear Charles,
But the concept of simultaneous time just blows the idea of "cause and effect" to pieces..
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but not for the earth-bound personal self, the ego enmeshed entirely in physical reality, the Jiva…… For such individuals, cause and effect remains unchanged and time is indeed linear. It is the only world-view possible from that standpoint.
Reincarnation, as far as I can grasp it, means progress and evolution. In each life we learn and evolve, in a continuous momentum. In a future life we respond for what we did in a previous life or previous lives, through the reel known as "karma".
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Yes this remains so as long as the personal self drifts from life to life according to its vasanas. Karma to such a one is “inscrutable”….

The Vedas say that “enlightenment” burns out these pesky vasanas, unsatisfied yearnings… but the semi-enlightened self can actually take a hand in this cauterization…. That is what I am describing. There are no “textbooks” on the matter and the Vedas are silent thereon….
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Dear BJY,
I am sure you are right in many ways. Soul is exactly as you say particularly when in the unmanifest condition. But, in order to learn, to expand, to fulfill its yearning, the soul (self) must co-ordinate with physical existence and it manifests there in human form. The supreme self likewise manifests as all there is, the many and the background.

Now I do not know about the 11 - to my way of thinking there is the one and the manifested many. 11 may as well stand for some precursor of the many or for that matter any finite number greater than 1. There are books and books about this sort of sacred numerical jiggery pokery.........endless permutations and combinations on the one solid theme: 1 and many. That is all, the rest is "bean counting".
Regards
 
1 & >1

Dear Jerry,
The business of probable universes, personality-intersection universes and the like along the lines proposed by the Seth personality and now the Elias personality (trance personalities as you say) is indeed potentially very complex. So complex in fact that one might almost think that the whole array must ultimately disassociate into as many universes as there are individual thoughts throughout all the minds of all the egos that have ever existed or for that matter, ever will exist. All these manifested at one instant no less presumably would require the attention of an extremely competent oversight capability. This is another example of the one and the many no doubt?
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